1938 tudor standard

[39topless]

Are those 40 standard headlight rims? They actually look pretty good.

[compyello]

Originally Posted by 39topless

Are those 40 standard headlight rims? They actually look pretty good.

I thought they were aftermarket pieces, not sure

[Walt Dupont--Me.]

Originally Posted by compyello

A few engine pictures and one distributor

The engine has 59AB in the center of the heads and a 46-48 crab dist. Chances are it's a 46-48 Ford and Merc, there the same engine, 100HP Walt

[Walt Dupont--Me.]

My first car that I could legal license and insure when I was 15 was a twin to this one, 38 2dr with 21 stud 85 HP, that was in 1951, seems like yesterday. Walt

[ford38v8]

Compy, your fan blade has been trimmed to clear the odd radiator installation. If you obtain a correct radiator, you should also replace the fan, as it may be out of balance from the trim. This would be a serious condition.

All your engine bolt-on parts are from the donor vehicle, a 1942 Mercury. The carburetor is from a 1949 Ford, and should have the offset vacuum line blocked off. You do need a vacuum line from the intake manifold to the distributor, and another line to the windshield wipers.

[ford38v8]

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Originally Posted by 39topless

Are those 40 standard headlight rims? They actually look pretty good.

They are aftermarket, with sealed beam bulbs.

Originally Posted by Walt Dupont--Me.

The engine has 59AB in the center of the heads and a 46-48 crab dist. Chances are it's a 46-48 Ford and Merc, there the same engine, 100HP Walt

Walt, a correction: the heads indicate that it is a 29A, one of the best flatheads made.

[36 ford]

"6 v is all anyone needs. Changing to 12v is only a dirty band aid on oxidized wounds."

Huh? What's that mean?

[ford38v8]

Originally Posted by 36 ford

"6 v is all anyone needs. Changing to 12v is only a dirty band aid on oxidized wounds."

Huh? What's that mean?

6 volt electrical system as opposed to a 12 volt electrical system.

[compyello]

The car is at my father's, I plan on going out there over the weekend. Is there certain areas I should take pictures of. I would like to get an idea of how to ID the engine. Where would the coil mount? I will dig out the radiator and take some pictures and measurements.

[ford38v8]

Compy, your engine is identified as a 1942 Mercury 100 HP Flathead V8. The distributor coil is mounted on the driver side above the head. It may have a transmission from the donor car as well, which is very likely, as the original to the car would not adapt to this engine. A date of manufacture can be determined by the serial number of the transmission, located on the bell housing above the inspection plate. The floorboard will have to be removed to see this serial number, which is of value to you only to satisfy curiosity.

Yes, more photos would be good, and can determine what needs to be done in regard to the radiator. Of interest also would be the frame and motor mount at the location of the missing water pump. The car's serial number will be located on the driver side top of frame, visible from under the hood. It may be greasy and hard to see, but it is definitely there, with a star in front, and a star at the end. Compare that number to the number found on the paper title of the car.

You'll want to take pictures of the underside of the hood at the hood support on the driver side. Your hood has been damaged and functionally repaired, but not restored visually. The damage was caused by the hood support, which is of a unique but inferior design. A caution here: When lifting the hood, the support will ratchet to the open support position, and must be lifted a second time to ratchet to the closed position. Do not simply pull the hood down to close it. Pictures of the interior upholstery, and of the dashboard and it's controls and gauges may be useful. Pictures of the metal floorboard just in front of the driver seat can determine general condition in regard to rust. Picture under the floor at the driver position foot pedals to determine if the original mechanical cable brakes have been replaced with hydraulic brakes, there will be a master cylinder at that location.

Most valuable to you at this time would be the two books mentioned earlier.

[compyello]

I do have a few general pictures and I will post a few more. I guess the only reason to ID the engine is to get correct parts. I probably won't pull up the floor at this time to check.
The hood I think is beyond saving for a restoration, for my purposes at this time it will work just fine. The guy I purchased the car from does have a hood and at sometime I will have the opportunity to talk with him about the parts he has.
It does still have the mechanical brakes which is another area involving many questions but not important at this time.
Does it look like the 38 generator was used? Should I look at a lower mounted fan?
Thanks for your help Ford38v8

[ford38v8]

All hoods of the vintage are beyond saving, but it is what it is. The generator is good. Don't let it get away from you. The generator mount fan is what you need. The low mount will not work for you.

Should you attend a V8 Club meet, you'll quite possibly win a Rouge award for the interior and/or Exterior. This is a prestigious award.

[Flowmeister]

This is beautiful!
Shouldn't take a lot to get it going and really enjoy it.

[Snouts out]

I wonder what kind of transmission you have,60 hp won't fit a 85 hp! Yank the engine,check the clutch & transmission. Replace all the moter & transmission mounts.

[Fredb_]

Welcome Compy, yours looks a lot like mine did a couple of years ago. It's a fun journey that I'm still engaged in, and these guys are an immense support. Fred

[compyello]

Originally Posted by Flowmeister

This is beautiful!
Shouldn't take a lot to get it going and really enjoy it.

Thank you, I am sure it will be a good time

Originally Posted by Snouts out

I wonder what kind of transmission you have,60 hp won't fit a 85 hp! Yank the engine,check the clutch & transmission. Replace all the moter & transmission mounts.

Not sure on the trans and I guess as long as it work it is ok with me. I can not pull the engine and trans. Difficult to explain but I feel like I need to drive it. If I pull it apart at this point I know it will snowball and then has a possiblity of stalling. I know what you are saying but I foresee what could happen with me

Originally Posted by Fredb_

Welcome Compy, yours looks a lot like mine did a couple of years ago. It's a fun journey that I'm still engaged in, and these guys are an immense support. Fred

Thanks for the welcome Fred, what does your's look like now?

[compyello]

Originally Posted by ford38v8

All hoods of the vintage are beyond saving, but it is what it is. The generator is good. Don't let it get away from you. The generator mount fan is what you need. The low mount will not work for you.

Should you attend a V8 Club meet, you'll quite possibly win a Rouge award for the interior and/or Exterior. This is a prestigious award.

Could you explain why the lower mount fan would not work on this application?

[swoopNZ]

The lower fan was attached to the crankshaft on 39-41 cars.
That radiator sat lower than 37-38 models.
Your 38 radiator sits higher and may not be cooled efficiently by the fan being lower down.
Going by the smaller ID hose it looks like they may have left the V8-60 radiator in your car.
Best to change it out for a larger capacity 37/38 85HP one.
None of the early production 38 standards whether they were 60 or 85HP had the grille stainless and body side stainless trim.
That came in a couple of months later.

[compyello]

I was wondering if I should be running a fan that may be a mid mount? Lower than the generator like a few inches lower. If my engine is a 42 an idler pulley style would be correct, does that sound right? If I post photos of the radiator, is it easy to ID as a 60 hp?

[ford38v8]

Your fan should be mounted on the generator. Post pics of the radiator, we'll give it a shot. Let's see the top tank at the rear, and the side view if you can. Count the rows of tubes front to back, and side to side?