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Salisbury Dave · 10-16-2010, 10:07 AM

My October 7, 1930 car (long running board aprons) has a '28- '30 oval speedo instrument panel. DeAngelis (page 55) states that this is original through October, 1930. It seems like it would have transitioned to the late panel by then. Wrong gas tank?

Thanks for any input.

Salisbury Dave

edzaha · 10-16-2010, 10:58 AM

The gas tank did not change with the change of the speedo, only the instrument cluster. The oval speedo went thru Oct '30 and you have an early Oct car...normal.

peters180a/170b · 10-16-2010, 11:47 AM

The "GAS TANK" "DID CHANGE" with the speedometer and instrument panel . There are 2 different gas tanks. 1- will only take the oval speedometer [Early 1930 to mid 1930 ] and the other gas tank will only take the round speedometer [after Mid 1930 till end of "A"s]. I have yet to see a oval speedometer with the early dash on any car [maybe a truck] after Mid 1930 [Aug,Sept,Oct] .Both instrument panel's will NOT fit on the SAME tank. Its one or the other.I would love to see a picture of a orginial car with a oval speedometer after Aug.1930...J.S. has the Oval speedometer [early dash] thru July 1930]

Deluxe Delivery Don · 10-16-2010, 01:10 PM

My Sept 30 Delivery has the long splash aprons and the round speedometer instrument panel. Bought in 1971 all original. Looks like the classic change over period.

Steve Plucker · 10-16-2010, 01:46 PM

Mr. Salisbury Dave...

Help us here.

What does the measurment equal from the tank itself to the steering column bracket 1/2 way point (where the bottom half is screwed on)? 2-3/4 inches or 2-3/8 inches?

What does the embossing look like that retains the cowl band measure? 1/2 inch (3 of them) or 1 inch (3 of them) or no embosing on the tank or continious embosing?

Does your steering column bracket have 3 or 4 rivets for attachment to the bottom o the tank?

Hopefully with this information we can ID your tank...it may have been replaced at one time or it was just a fluke and was actually put on the car a time of assembly.

By the way...just how do you know it was assembled October 7, 1930? Just ciourious.

Thanks.

Pluck

PS...This will be featured in my last article about the gastanks sometime next year in Model A News.

peters180a/170b · 10-16-2010, 02:36 PM

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I am going by what i have worked with ,I had a May 1930 Standard Roadster[unrestored at the time] with the later Dash round speedo[that means it was built sometime in April of 1930]. I have a Jan. 1930 standard fordor with a oval dash [built sometime in Nov. 1929] . I had upto a week ago a June 1930 Deluxe Phaeton with a round speedo later dash[ that means built sometime in May 1930].I have a Aug 1930 Deluxe Phaeton again with a round speedo later dash [Built sometime in Late June /July]. So i have never seen a orginial 1930 Deluxe Roadster with a oval speedo. I did here about 3 Deluxe Phaetons with oval speedo which puts them being built sometime in April/May 1930. They also have RARE steel Chrome plated Stanchions. So if someone tells me they have a Oct 1930 "A" with oval speedo its kinda hard to believe it was orginial that way. I could be wrong and it would not be the first time so Anyone have any proof. thanks

Roadster62 · 10-16-2010, 03:10 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the bodies painted after the tanks was installed? Mismatched color would tell me the tank was replaced at some time.

Steve Plucker · 10-16-2010, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roadster62

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the bodies painted after the tanks was installed? Mismatched color would tell me the tank was replaced at some time.

Can't correct a guy for being right!

Pluck

peters180a/170b · 10-16-2010, 04:53 PM

Back in the day they might of painted the whole car again...or atleast the whole cowl with the tank.

Salisbury Dave · 10-16-2010, 04:54 PM

Thanks all of you for helping out on this question of gas tank and thus instrument panel on a Oct. car.

To answer Pluck's questions: The depth of the steering bracket is 2 3/8". The cowl band embossing is 1". The bracket has 3 rivets. I did not mean to imply that the car was assembled in early Oct. The engine and frame numbers are 4021233 so it could have been assembled several weeks later as I understand it.
The car was "restored" previously and the tank was probably changed to an incorrect one. At least that is what it looks like now.

Thanks again.
Dave

Roadster62 · 10-16-2010, 05:35 PM

This soulds like a lead in to a 180A/170B reply.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Salisbury Dave

The car was "restored" previously and the tank was probably changed to an incorrect one. At least that is what it looks like now.

Thanks again.
Dave

Jerry Parr WI · 10-16-2010, 05:41 PM

My May 30 Coupe has an oval speedometer and the June 30 Cabriolet has round.

Steve Plucker · 10-16-2010, 11:26 PM

David,

What you have is the A-9002-B tank. It was the first tank released for the new 1930 models. See chart:

THE 1930 A-9002-B GAS TANK

DATE

FILLER

FLANGE

AND

SCREEN

INST.

PANEL

ASSY.

TRIANG-

ULAR

INDENTS

ON

BOTTOM

STEERRING

COLUMN

SUPPORT

RIVETS AND

SIZE

COWL

BAND

EMBOSS

ON

TANK

COWL

BAND

EMBOSS

ON

COWL

November 26, 1929

PR # 14703

“Easy-on”

3/8” wide

tabs on

screen

28-29

Style

yes

3 rivets;

2-3/4”

No

December 26. 1929

PR # 14977

“

Yes

(3) ½”

Emboss.

Yes

January 1930

“

3 rivets

2-3/8”

“

January 31, 1930

PR # 15414

“

Yes

(3) 1”

Emboss.

“

February 24, 1930

PR # 15663

“Easy-on”

½” wide

tabs on

screen

“

What you need is the following:

THE 1930-31 A-9002-C GAS TANK

DATE

FILLER

FLANGE

AND

SCREEN

INST.

PANEL

ASSY.

TRIANG-

ULAR

INDENTS

ON

BOTTOM

STEERRING

COLUMN

SUPPORT

RIVETS AND

SIZE

COWL

BAND

EMBOSS

ON

TANK

COWL

BAND

EMBOSS

ON

COWL

April 14, 1930

PR # 16099

(Supp. # 4)

“Easy-on”

½” wide

tabs on

screen

New style

A-11805-B*

No*

4 rivets

2-3/8”

Continuous

Yes

December 2, 1930

PR # 18323

“Easy-on”

(for gas cap)

“Screw-on”

(for screen)

“

* There are combinations of this “C” tank and “B” tank in the early production period only. See text.

All of this will soon be coming out in a future 2011 Model A News.

Pluck

Steve Plucker · 10-16-2010, 11:27 PM

Oh for crap sakes...Now why did those charts screw up on me?

Pluck

Salisbury Dave · 10-17-2010, 06:55 AM

Steve--Thanks for the complete information. Very helpful.

I appreciate your time on this. I look forward to your article.

Dave

Marco Tahtaras · 10-17-2010, 07:49 AM

The round speedo and associated parts went into full production the second half of June 1930 at the same time they released the new commercial bodies with 1930 styling.

10-16-2010, 10:07 AM	#1
Salisbury Dave Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 21	1930-31 Instrument Panels My October 7, 1930 car (long running board aprons) has a '28- '30 oval speedo instrument panel. DeAngelis (page 55) states that this is original through October, 1930. It seems like it would have transitioned to the late panel by then. Wrong gas tank? Thanks for any input. Salisbury Dave

10-16-2010, 10:58 AM	#2
edzaha Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 206	Re: 1930-31 Instrument Panels The gas tank did not change with the change of the speedo, only the instrument cluster. The oval speedo went thru Oct '30 and you have an early Oct car...normal.

10-16-2010, 11:47 AM	#3
peters180a/170b Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Putnam Valley N.Y. Posts: 2,151	Re: 1930-31 Instrument Panels The "GAS TANK" "DID CHANGE" with the speedometer and instrument panel . There are 2 different gas tanks. 1- will only take the oval speedometer [Early 1930 to mid 1930 ] and the other gas tank will only take the round speedometer [after Mid 1930 till end of "A"s]. I have yet to see a oval speedometer with the early dash on any car [maybe a truck] after Mid 1930 [Aug,Sept,Oct] .Both instrument panel's will NOT fit on the SAME tank. Its one or the other.I would love to see a picture of a orginial car with a oval speedometer after Aug.1930...J.S. has the Oval speedometer [early dash] thru July 1930] Last edited by peters180a/170b; 10-16-2010 at 02:25 PM.

10-16-2010, 01:10 PM	#4
Deluxe Delivery Don Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mill Creek WA. Posts: 341	Re: 1930-31 Instrument Panels My Sept 30 Delivery has the long splash aprons and the round speedometer instrument panel. Bought in 1971 all original. Looks like the classic change over period.

10-16-2010, 01:46 PM	#5
Steve Plucker BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA Posts: 6,066	Re: 1930-31 Instrument Panels Mr. Salisbury Dave... Help us here. What does the measurment equal from the tank itself to the steering column bracket 1/2 way point (where the bottom half is screwed on)? 2-3/4 inches or 2-3/8 inches? What does the embossing look like that retains the cowl band measure? 1/2 inch (3 of them) or 1 inch (3 of them) or no embosing on the tank or continious embosing? Does your steering column bracket have 3 or 4 rivets for attachment to the bottom o the tank? Hopefully with this information we can ID your tank...it may have been replaced at one time or it was just a fluke and was actually put on the car a time of assembly. By the way...just how do you know it was assembled October 7, 1930? Just ciourious. Thanks. Pluck PS...This will be featured in my last article about the gastanks sometime next year in Model A News.

10-16-2010, 02:36 PM	#6
peters180a/170b Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Putnam Valley N.Y. Posts: 2,151	Re: 1930-31 Instrument Panels Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I am going by what i have worked with ,I had a May 1930 Standard Roadster[unrestored at the time] with the later Dash round speedo[that means it was built sometime in April of 1930]. I have a Jan. 1930 standard fordor with a oval dash [built sometime in Nov. 1929] . I had upto a week ago a June 1930 Deluxe Phaeton with a round speedo later dash[ that means built sometime in May 1930].I have a Aug 1930 Deluxe Phaeton again with a round speedo later dash [Built sometime in Late June /July]. So i have never seen a orginial 1930 Deluxe Roadster with a oval speedo. I did here about 3 Deluxe Phaetons with oval speedo which puts them being built sometime in April/May 1930. They also have RARE steel Chrome plated Stanchions. So if someone tells me they have a Oct 1930 "A" with oval speedo its kinda hard to believe it was orginial that way. I could be wrong and it would not be the first time so Anyone have any proof. thanks

10-16-2010, 03:10 PM	#7
Roadster62 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ridgefield, Ct Posts: 3,441	Re: 1930-31 Instrument Panels Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the bodies painted after the tanks was installed? Mismatched color would tell me the tank was replaced at some time.

10-16-2010, 04:53 PM	#9
peters180a/170b Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Putnam Valley N.Y. Posts: 2,151	Re: 1930-31 Instrument Panels Back in the day they might of painted the whole car again...or atleast the whole cowl with the tank.

10-16-2010, 04:54 PM	#10
Salisbury Dave Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 21	Re: 1930-31 Instrument Panels Thanks all of you for helping out on this question of gas tank and thus instrument panel on a Oct. car. To answer Pluck's questions: The depth of the steering bracket is 2 3/8". The cowl band embossing is 1". The bracket has 3 rivets. I did not mean to imply that the car was assembled in early Oct. The engine and frame numbers are 4021233 so it could have been assembled several weeks later as I understand it. The car was "restored" previously and the tank was probably changed to an incorrect one. At least that is what it looks like now. Thanks again. Dave

10-16-2010, 05:41 PM	#12
Jerry Parr WI Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 619	Re: 1930-31 Instrument Panels My May 30 Coupe has an oval speedometer and the June 30 Cabriolet has round.

10-16-2010, 11:26 PM	#13
Steve Plucker BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA Posts: 6,066	Re: 1930-31 Instrument Panels David, What you have is the A-9002-B tank. It was the first tank released for the new 1930 models. See chart: THE 1930 A-9002-B GAS TANK DATE FILLER FLANGE AND SCREEN INST. PANEL ASSY. TRIANG- ULAR INDENTS ON BOTTOM STEERRING COLUMN SUPPORT RIVETS AND SIZE COWL BAND EMBOSS ON TANK COWL BAND EMBOSS ON COWL November 26, 1929 PR # 14703 “Easy-on” 3/8” wide tabs on screen 28-29 Style yes 3 rivets; 2-3/4” No No December 26. 1929 PR # 14977 “ “ “ “ Yes (3) ½” Emboss. Yes January 1930 “ “ “ 3 rivets 2-3/8” “ “ January 31, 1930 PR # 15414 “ “ “ “ Yes (3) 1” Emboss. “ February 24, 1930 PR # 15663 “Easy-on” ½” wide tabs on screen “ “ “ “ “ What you need is the following: THE 1930-31 A-9002-C GAS TANK DATE FILLER FLANGE AND SCREEN INST. PANEL ASSY. TRIANG- ULAR INDENTS ON BOTTOM STEERRING COLUMN SUPPORT RIVETS AND SIZE COWL BAND EMBOSS ON TANK COWL BAND EMBOSS ON COWL April 14, 1930 PR # 16099 (Supp. # 4) “Easy-on” ½” wide tabs on screen New style A-11805-B* No* 4 rivets 2-3/8” Continuous Yes December 2, 1930 PR # 18323 “Easy-on” (for gas cap) “Screw-on” (for screen) “ “ “ “ “ * There are combinations of this “C” tank and “B” tank in the early production period only. See text. All of this will soon be coming out in a future 2011 Model A News. Pluck

10-16-2010, 11:27 PM	#14
Steve Plucker BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA Posts: 6,066	Re: 1930-31 Instrument Panels Oh for crap sakes...Now why did those charts screw up on me? Pluck

10-17-2010, 06:55 AM	#15
Salisbury Dave Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 21	Re: 1930-31 Instrument Panels Steve--Thanks for the complete information. Very helpful. I appreciate your time on this. I look forward to your article. Dave

10-17-2010, 07:49 AM	#16
Marco Tahtaras Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3,099	Re: 1930-31 Instrument Panels The round speedo and associated parts went into full production the second half of June 1930 at the same time they released the new commercial bodies with 1930 styling. __________________ http://www.abarnyard.com/