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skeazle · 10-06-2021, 09:23 AM

I have an antifreeze leak around the water pump. I still can not pin point exactly where it's coming from. I have a choice of three places it can be so I thought I would start at the top and work down. I want to start with the 8 in. hose first since it feels moist to the touch right under the clamp but I never have seen it dripping there. The next place I have seen it wet with the green stuff is on one of the two nuts at the neck. The third place could be the packing nut on my "Leekless Water Pump." I might replace the whole water pump eventually but the car only has 5,000 miles on it since it was restored. Thats not a very good track record is it I tried tightening the nut using a screw driver but I can't loosen or tighten it. Anyway my original question is do I have to tilt the top of the radiator forward to replace the top hose or can I wiggle it off? thanks, Jim

katy · 10-06-2021, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by skeazle

Anyway my original question is do I have to tilt the top of the radiator forward to replace the top hose or can I wiggle it off? thanks, Jim

No tilt necessary, it'l come off.

nkaminar · 10-06-2021, 12:10 PM

To get the old hose off you can use channel lock pliers to rotate the hose to knock it loose. Put the pliers on at the goose neck and radiator inlet and twist the hose. You may have to cut it in half depending on how old the hose is.

When installing a new hose, apply a thin coat of grease to enable the hose to slide easily up and down. If you use too much grease it will end up in the radiator water. The grease also allows the hose to seal easier.

skeazle · 10-06-2021, 01:20 PM

Thanks for the reply guys. I never took one off so I didn't want to get started and not be able to finish. Jim

aermotor · 10-06-2021, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by nkaminar

When installing a new hose, apply a thin coat of grease to enable the hose to slide easily up and down. If you use too much grease it will end up in the radiator water. The grease also allows the hose to seal easier.

Also, spray the outside of the hose with silicone under the clamp areas. The clamp can grab the hose and cause it to "bunch" up leaving an opening between the hose and housing. The clamp needs to be able to rotate around while tightening. Hey Neil

John

MickyD · 10-06-2021, 06:01 PM

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I may be old school. I use to rub some petroleum jelly on the inside of the hose top and bottom and they slid on real easy and I never had a leak after doing so. I have been doing that for 55 years.

GerryAllen · 10-06-2021, 06:19 PM

Check the packing nut. I had a leak very similar to what you have described and tightened the packing nut on the water pump, no more leak. There is a guy on youtube that demonstrates how to do it + Les Andrews book explains it as well.
Gerry, Birch Bay WA

skeazle · 10-06-2021, 06:56 PM

Gerry so far I just used the biggest screwdriver I have and pried on the notches and I couldn't budge it. It's frustrating. I gave up on the hose I couldn't get it to go enough either way to get it off.

1crosscut · 10-06-2021, 09:28 PM

To find a leak in that area toilet paper is your friend. Dry it off good and spend time dabbing fresh dry paper on the suspect spots until it shows on the paper. You will find it.

old ugly · 10-06-2021, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nkaminar

To get the old hose off you can use channel lock pliers to rotate the hose to knock it loose. Put the pliers on at the goose neck and radiator inlet and twist the hose. You may have to cut it in half depending on how old the hose is.

When installing a new hose, apply a thin coat of grease to enable the hose to slide easily up and down. If you use too much grease it will end up in the radiator water. The grease also allows the hose to seal easier.

i would not recommend the grease. grease is petroleum base and not good for the rubber hose. but some soap and water may work and be a better choice.
but yeah a little sliptivity is good.

tool companies make a radiator hose tool, basicly a 90deg bent hook that will slip between the hose and pipe. then run it around the hose to loosent it.
although the water pump pliers will work too.

if the removal fails cut the hose off. do not wreck your rad over a cheep rad hose.

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nkaminar · 10-07-2021, 07:42 AM

I use rubber grease. Silicone grease will probably work OK too. The rubber grease is also good for the rubber guides for the doors and any other place where rubber is rubbing against metal. Trick is to use very little.

On very old engines I have had to cut off the old radiator hoses with a box cutter. The trick there is to not cut into the soft brass neck of the radiator.

Tacoma Bob · 10-07-2021, 10:52 AM

Depending on who built the pump the packing nut may have been made non adjustable. Don't ask me how I know.

10-06-2021, 09:23 AM	#1
skeazle Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Hershey, Pa. Posts: 102	top radiator hose I have an antifreeze leak around the water pump. I still can not pin point exactly where it's coming from. I have a choice of three places it can be so I thought I would start at the top and work down. I want to start with the 8 in. hose first since it feels moist to the touch right under the clamp but I never have seen it dripping there. The next place I have seen it wet with the green stuff is on one of the two nuts at the neck. The third place could be the packing nut on my "Leekless Water Pump." I might replace the whole water pump eventually but the car only has 5,000 miles on it since it was restored. Thats not a very good track record is it I tried tightening the nut using a screw driver but I can't loosen or tighten it. Anyway my original question is do I have to tilt the top of the radiator forward to replace the top hose or can I wiggle it off? thanks, Jim

10-06-2021, 12:10 PM	#3
nkaminar Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 3,898	Re: top radiator hose To get the old hose off you can use channel lock pliers to rotate the hose to knock it loose. Put the pliers on at the goose neck and radiator inlet and twist the hose. You may have to cut it in half depending on how old the hose is. When installing a new hose, apply a thin coat of grease to enable the hose to slide easily up and down. If you use too much grease it will end up in the radiator water. The grease also allows the hose to seal easier. __________________ A is for apple, green as the sky. Step on the gas, for tomorrow I die. Forget the brakes, they really don't work. The clutch always sticks, and starts with a jerk. My car grows red hair, and flies through the air. Driving's a blast, a blast from the past.

10-06-2021, 01:20 PM	#4
skeazle Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Hershey, Pa. Posts: 102	Re: top radiator hose Thanks for the reply guys. I never took one off so I didn't want to get started and not be able to finish. Jim

10-06-2021, 06:01 PM	#6
MickyD Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Welcome NC Posts: 207	Re: top radiator hose Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I may be old school. I use to rub some petroleum jelly on the inside of the hose top and bottom and they slid on real easy and I never had a leak after doing so. I have been doing that for 55 years.

10-06-2021, 06:19 PM	#7
GerryAllen Senior Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Birch Bay WA Posts: 190	Re: top radiator hose Check the packing nut. I had a leak very similar to what you have described and tightened the packing nut on the water pump, no more leak. There is a guy on youtube that demonstrates how to do it + Les Andrews book explains it as well. Gerry, Birch Bay WA

10-06-2021, 06:56 PM	#8
skeazle Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Hershey, Pa. Posts: 102	Re: top radiator hose Gerry so far I just used the biggest screwdriver I have and pried on the notches and I couldn't budge it. It's frustrating. I gave up on the hose I couldn't get it to go enough either way to get it off.

10-06-2021, 09:28 PM	#9
1crosscut Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska Posts: 1,907	Re: top radiator hose To find a leak in that area toilet paper is your friend. Dry it off good and spend time dabbing fresh dry paper on the suspect spots until it shows on the paper. You will find it. __________________ Dave / Lincoln Nebraska

10-07-2021, 07:42 AM	#11
nkaminar Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 3,898	Re: top radiator hose I use rubber grease. Silicone grease will probably work OK too. The rubber grease is also good for the rubber guides for the doors and any other place where rubber is rubbing against metal. Trick is to use very little. On very old engines I have had to cut off the old radiator hoses with a box cutter. The trick there is to not cut into the soft brass neck of the radiator. __________________ A is for apple, green as the sky. Step on the gas, for tomorrow I die. Forget the brakes, they really don't work. The clutch always sticks, and starts with a jerk. My car grows red hair, and flies through the air. Driving's a blast, a blast from the past.

10-07-2021, 10:52 AM	#12
Tacoma Bob Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 1,025	Re: top radiator hose Depending on who built the pump the packing nut may have been made non adjustable. Don't ask me how I know.