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BillCNC · 01-31-2018, 03:03 PM

Hello All,

I am starting my quest in hunting down (5) 19" wheels for my 31 Tudor and I do have to admit, I'm clueless when it comes to these wheel's so I have a couple of question's to ask if I may.

A) What should I be looking for and more importantly, what should I run from?
B) What is the price range for the quality?
C) Should one expect to get a price brakes with quantity?

Thank You

Regards
Bill

SeaSlugs · 01-31-2018, 03:19 PM

Ive seen em as cheap as $5 for decent looking at swap meets. typically ive seen them in the $20/rim price for an OK rim $50 should get you a really nice true rim that may need some touchup paint. Best bet is to find a hot rodder whos chopping up an old restoration and buy the rest of rims off him for cheap. Sure anytime you buy a pile of something you haggle less as its less junk they have to take home.

#1Rust is gonna be deal breaker - once its rusted thin its hard to replace. #2 if you can find a way to spin it to see how true it is - alot are bent. You can roll them on a level surface and see how much the center wobbles in a pinch #3 severely bent spokes and number of bent spokes and or broken spokes. Last one isnt a deal breaker but factor in your time to do the repairs or cost to have them done. To check for broken spokes take a small object (wrench, hammer handle etc) and "ting" each spoke. Should produce a nice ringing effect. if one sis broke it goes "twank" and doesnt ring. Obvious when you find one. (think of the correct ringing when you used to "pluck" a bicycle spoke)

Oh and most likely when you do roll it it may sound like sand inside the rim - thats rust and rather common and no way to get to it. Some people drill a few small holes and fill with as much glue as they can and roll the rim so it glues the particles down but most ignore it.

Purdy Swoft · 01-31-2018, 03:34 PM

I would call Berts in Colorado I've bought new and expensive new wheels before . I've bought straight sandblasted wheels from berts and I much prefer the real model A wheels from Berts any day . Its been a while and I'm sure prices would have to have gone up. I would talk to steve at Berts . 800-321-1931

Kevin in NJ · 01-31-2018, 03:36 PM

Rust, spokes are not easy to make level. Mine had a few gouges. Rust inside the rim where the tire mount can be an issue.

While not a show stopper, take along a a good lugnut. Put it in the holes, the lugnut should not be going through. Mine were all run loose and have some wear so I got some washers. Keep in mind they were not rusty.

There were not super straight to begin with so you need to put a dial indicator on them to check. If I remember correct .125" in the 3 directions was factory.

Here money up front for nice means a lot less time in prep. I used electrolytic rust removal to clear the surface rust and got a lot of the paint off. Then blasted them in my glass bead booth.

1930-Pickup · 01-31-2018, 03:47 PM

They need to spin true. Straight spokes don't mean that they run true. If you are running +/-16" (1/8" total) in both the axial and radial views, then you doing fairly well. There are many rims out there running on cars today that have much more run out.

Until you mount them on the car or a fixture, you wont know if they run true. This makes for problems at swap meets or buying on-line.

Look for cracks at the lug holes. Some people weld them, I run away.

Look for broken welds on the spokes.

Look to see if the wheel has been driven on without a tire. This will typically cause deformation of the metal at the outward rim edge. It will not run true, and looks terrible when driving.

Minor bent spokes can be straightened with a slide hammer. Many times a few minor bent spokes will not affect the rim run out.

Most rims for sale are left-overs. Basically rejects. Some call them 'rollers'.
It can be frustrating.

I picked up a set of five 19" rims from a 1930 Coupe. They have original paint and run basically true. I paid 125 I think, but I was lucky. If you have a known good rim, be prepared to pay much more.

So now that you are scared to buy

, there is the Big-3 Swap coming up in San Diego in February.

1930-Pickup · 01-31-2018, 03:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Purdy Swoft

I would call Berts in Colorado I've bought new and expensive new wheels before . I've bought straight sandblasted wheels from berts and I much prefer the real model A wheels from Berts any day . Its been a while and I'm sure prices would have to have gone up. I would talk to steve at Berts . 800-321-1931

I agree. If you are looking for a turn-key solution, this is the way to go.

Purdy Swoft · 01-31-2018, 04:13 PM

With Berts sand blasted wheels you can see what you are getting. All I had to do was prime and paint

BillCNC · 01-31-2018, 04:29 PM

Great Info Guy's.

I thought the hoops were flat like a motorcycle, are the hoops hollow?

As far as Bert's go, … Wont the shipping be brutal?

What kind of trade value would my (5) straight 16” wheels (look at my avatar) be towards (5) straight 19” wheels?

Regards
Bill

Bob C · 01-31-2018, 04:49 PM

21" are hollow by the bead.

Bob

d. · 01-31-2018, 05:08 PM

what Bob said...the 21" rim is hollow at the bead, the 19" rim is flat steel, no place to trap rust, sand, etc.

Charlie Stephens · 01-31-2018, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillCNC

Great Info Guy's.

I thought the hoops were flat like a motorcycle, are the hoops hollow?

As far as Bert's go, … Wont the shipping be brutal?

What kind of trade value would my (5) straight 16” wheels (look at my avatar) be towards (5) straight 19” wheels?

Regards
Bill

Bill,

You should be able to find something local. If your 16's are '35 Ford they are probably a straight across swap. If they are Kelsey's (your AVATAR is too small to tell), and in good shape, you might have $1000 worth of wheels. Post a close up of your wheels if you don't understand the difference.

Charlie Stephens

Purdy Swoft · 01-31-2018, 05:45 PM

Yes the shipping was nearly as expensive as the 5 wheels were but its been a while . You are closer to Berts than I am . Shipping heavy parts will be expensive no matter where they are shipped from. Its near impossible to tell how straight the wheels will be if bought at a swap meet or from eBay. I've bought more wobbly wheels than straight wheels.I trusted Steve at Berts . If you want the best sometimes you've gotta pay the price . Good luck finding good wheels . The ones that I got from Berts were perfect .

1930-Pickup · 01-31-2018, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillCNC

Hello All,

I am starting my quest in hunting down (5) 19" wheels for my 31 Tudor and I do have to admit, I'm clueless when it comes to these wheel's so I have a couple of question's to ask if I may.

A) What should I be looking for and more importantly, what should I run from?
B) What is the price range for the quality?
C) Should one expect to get a price brakes with quantity?

Thank You

Regards
Bill

You did after all ask for 'Quality', not low price. Purdy gave you the answer to your question.

BillCNC · 01-31-2018, 06:19 PM

What do I really have, ...

Here are picture's of the front, back and spokes of the wheels.

Regards
Bill

Purdy Swoft · 01-31-2018, 07:19 PM

Your wheels appear to be 1935 Ford 16 inch weheels . From what I can see they look good . Yhey are not the Kelsey Hayes bent spoke wheels .Hot rodders often like them and they usually bring a good price .

daveymc29 · 01-31-2018, 10:42 PM

Just saw a set of 6 K/H wheels and tires at Turlock. $2,000 if I remember correctly for 16''. I KICKED MYSELF WHEN I GOT HOME FOR NOT PICKING UP A PHONE NUMBER.

ronn · 02-01-2018, 06:43 AM

16's worth double the 19's all day long

was selling 16 rims only for 400 a set a couple of years back

I would hit craigs list to find your wheels- they will be local and always rodders dumping them inexpensively.
200. for a set of 5 rims is about right if they are decent.

Railcarmover · 02-01-2018, 08:49 AM

Whay get rid of those 16's? other than the wide whites and whore red? they are a stronger wheel and can run modern tubless tires with a sealing valve stem..depending on the aspect ration of the modern radial you buy you'll get better braking effect and ride..of course if its looks your after go for it..

Purdy Swoft · 02-01-2018, 11:42 AM

I would allways prefer the 19s for the original look on a 30-31 car . The squatty short spoke 16s look silly to me , especially on a 28-29 model A . If I used later Ford spoke wheels I would prefer the 17 or 18 inch wheels, they are taller and show off the spokes better .

BillCNC · 02-01-2018, 12:18 PM

Yes, it's strictly for the look. Unfortunately I HAVE to buy (5) new tires $,$$$.$$.

The part that really suck's is these ones still have the nipples on the tread but they are splitting inside the tread and on the inner sidewall and I believe they are around 8-9 year's old. Since I'm having to buy tires, I have been contemplating whether to get them in 16's or get 19" wheel's and tires.

Like Purdy said, ... they look to squatted, ... a low rider model A? It's odd how much difference 1.5" can make.

Hmmm, ... Anyone thinking about going from 19" to 16"?

Regards
Bill

01-31-2018, 03:36 PM	#4
Kevin in NJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: South East NJ Posts: 3,398	Re: 19" Rim's Rust, spokes are not easy to make level. Mine had a few gouges. Rust inside the rim where the tire mount can be an issue. While not a show stopper, take along a a good lugnut. Put it in the holes, the lugnut should not be going through. Mine were all run loose and have some wear so I got some washers. Keep in mind they were not rusty. There were not super straight to begin with so you need to put a dial indicator on them to check. If I remember correct .125" in the 3 directions was factory. Here money up front for nice means a lot less time in prep. I used electrolytic rust removal to clear the surface rust and got a lot of the paint off. Then blasted them in my glass bead booth.

01-31-2018, 03:47 PM	#5
1930-Pickup Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: southern California Posts: 725	Re: 19" Rim's They need to spin true. Straight spokes don't mean that they run true. If you are running +/-16" (1/8" total) in both the axial and radial views, then you doing fairly well. There are many rims out there running on cars today that have much more run out. Until you mount them on the car or a fixture, you wont know if they run true. This makes for problems at swap meets or buying on-line. Look for cracks at the lug holes. Some people weld them, I run away. Look for broken welds on the spokes. Look to see if the wheel has been driven on without a tire. This will typically cause deformation of the metal at the outward rim edge. It will not run true, and looks terrible when driving. Minor bent spokes can be straightened with a slide hammer. Many times a few minor bent spokes will not affect the rim run out. Most rims for sale are left-overs. Basically rejects. Some call them 'rollers'. It can be frustrating. I picked up a set of five 19" rims from a 1930 Coupe. They have original paint and run basically true. I paid 125 I think, but I was lucky. If you have a known good rim, be prepared to pay much more. So now that you are scared to buy , there is the Big-3 Swap coming up in San Diego in February. __________________ *"That's my wild unsubstantiated guess, and I'm sticking to it regardless of the facts!"* Last edited by 1930-Pickup; 01-31-2018 at 03:56 PM.

01-31-2018, 04:13 PM	#7
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: 19" Rim's With Berts sand blasted wheels you can see what you are getting. All I had to do was prime and paint

01-31-2018, 04:29 PM	#8
BillCNC Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: SoCal Desert Posts: 826	Re: 19" Rim's Great Info Guy's. I thought the hoops were flat like a motorcycle, are the hoops hollow? As far as Bert's go, … Wont the shipping be brutal? What kind of trade value would my (5) straight 16” wheels (look at my avatar) be towards (5) straight 19” wheels? Regards Bill

01-31-2018, 04:49 PM	#9
Bob C Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: So Cal Posts: 8,743	Re: 19" Rim's 21" are hollow by the bead. Bob

01-31-2018, 03:03 PM	#1
BillCNC Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: SoCal Desert Posts: 826	19" Rim's Hello All, I am starting my quest in hunting down (5) 19" wheels for my 31 Tudor and I do have to admit, I'm clueless when it comes to these wheel's so I have a couple of question's to ask if I may. A) What should I be looking for and more importantly, what should I run from? B) What is the price range for the quality? C) Should one expect to get a price brakes with quantity? Thank You Regards Bill

01-31-2018, 03:19 PM	#2
SeaSlugs Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Central, IL Posts: 3,968	Re: 19" Rim's Ive seen em as cheap as $5 for decent looking at swap meets. typically ive seen them in the $20/rim price for an OK rim $50 should get you a really nice true rim that may need some touchup paint. Best bet is to find a hot rodder whos chopping up an old restoration and buy the rest of rims off him for cheap. Sure anytime you buy a pile of something you haggle less as its less junk they have to take home. #1Rust is gonna be deal breaker - once its rusted thin its hard to replace. #2 if you can find a way to spin it to see how true it is - alot are bent. You can roll them on a level surface and see how much the center wobbles in a pinch #3 severely bent spokes and number of bent spokes and or broken spokes. Last one isnt a deal breaker but factor in your time to do the repairs or cost to have them done. To check for broken spokes take a small object (wrench, hammer handle etc) and "ting" each spoke. Should produce a nice ringing effect. if one sis broke it goes "twank" and doesnt ring. Obvious when you find one. (think of the correct ringing when you used to "pluck" a bicycle spoke) Oh and most likely when you do roll it it may sound like sand inside the rim - thats rust and rather common and no way to get to it. Some people drill a few small holes and fill with as much glue as they can and roll the rim so it glues the particles down but most ignore it. __________________ 1929 Model AA - Need long splash aprons!

01-31-2018, 03:34 PM	#3
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: 19" Rim's I would call Berts in Colorado I've bought new and expensive new wheels before . I've bought straight sandblasted wheels from berts and I much prefer the real model A wheels from Berts any day . Its been a while and I'm sure prices would have to have gone up. I would talk to steve at Berts . 800-321-1931

01-31-2018, 05:08 PM	#10
d. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 510	Re: 19" Rim's what Bob said...the 21" rim is hollow at the bead, the 19" rim is flat steel, no place to trap rust, sand, etc.

01-31-2018, 05:45 PM	#12
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: 19" Rim's Yes the shipping was nearly as expensive as the 5 wheels were but its been a while . You are closer to Berts than I am . Shipping heavy parts will be expensive no matter where they are shipped from. Its near impossible to tell how straight the wheels will be if bought at a swap meet or from eBay. I've bought more wobbly wheels than straight wheels.I trusted Steve at Berts . If you want the best sometimes you've gotta pay the price . Good luck finding good wheels . The ones that I got from Berts were perfect .

01-31-2018, 07:19 PM	#15
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: 19" Rim's Your wheels appear to be 1935 Ford 16 inch weheels . From what I can see they look good . Yhey are not the Kelsey Hayes bent spoke wheels .Hot rodders often like them and they usually bring a good price .

01-31-2018, 10:42 PM	#16
daveymc29 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Danville, CA Posts: 1,553	Re: 19" Rim's Just saw a set of 6 K/H wheels and tires at Turlock. $2,000 if I remember correctly for 16''. I KICKED MYSELF WHEN I GOT HOME FOR NOT PICKING UP A PHONE NUMBER.

02-01-2018, 06:43 AM	#17
ronn Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NNNNNNNNJJJJJJJJJJ Posts: 6,785	Re: 19" Rim's 16's worth double the 19's all day long was selling 16 rims only for 400 a set a couple of years back I would hit craigs list to find your wheels- they will be local and always rodders dumping them inexpensively. 200. for a set of 5 rims is about right if they are decent.

02-01-2018, 08:49 AM	#18
Railcarmover BANNED Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sacramento Posts: 1,262	Re: 19" Rim's Whay get rid of those 16's? other than the wide whites and whore red? they are a stronger wheel and can run modern tubless tires with a sealing valve stem..depending on the aspect ration of the modern radial you buy you'll get better braking effect and ride..of course if its looks your after go for it..

02-01-2018, 11:42 AM	#19
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: 19" Rim's I would allways prefer the 19s for the original look on a 30-31 car . The squatty short spoke 16s look silly to me , especially on a 28-29 model A . If I used later Ford spoke wheels I would prefer the 17 or 18 inch wheels, they are taller and show off the spokes better .

02-01-2018, 12:18 PM	#20
BillCNC Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: SoCal Desert Posts: 826	Re: 19" Rim's Yes, it's strictly for the look. Unfortunately I HAVE to buy (5) new tires $,$$$.$$. The part that really suck's is these ones still have the nipples on the tread but they are splitting inside the tread and on the inner sidewall and I believe they are around 8-9 year's old. Since I'm having to buy tires, I have been contemplating whether to get them in 16's or get 19" wheel's and tires. Like Purdy said, ... they look to squatted, ... a low rider model A? It's odd how much difference 1.5" can make. Hmmm, ... Anyone thinking about going from 19" to 16"? Regards Bill