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Old 02-22-2011, 05:06 PM   #1
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You know what I got a thing for? Flathead engine stands... But I know absolutely nothing about them. I'm betting some of you fellas know everything there is to know about them. ... To read the rest of this blog entry from The Ford Barn, click here.
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Old 02-22-2011, 05:21 PM   #2
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Almost every Ford dealership had one or more of these engine stands made by K-R Wilson. Who was one of the major suppliers of equipment to Ford dealers at the time 30's to 50's as I remember.

They are very heavy and safe to work with, now days expensive and expensive to ship. Well worth the investment if you are going to do several engines or more. Could be a club project.

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Old 02-22-2011, 06:38 PM   #3
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I have 2 of the K.R. Wilson engine stands like the one pictured. One has the base and the other does not. I am looking for a base . If push comes to shove I could fabricate one out of heavy gauge steel. Makes working on a flathead V-8 or V-12 nice. The whole engine can be assembled exept for the exhaust manifold.
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Old 02-22-2011, 06:40 PM   #4
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K.R. Wilson X-6000 engine stand. I wish I had one. These are the only thing that will provide a safe, secure stand to work on the flathead engines.
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Old 02-22-2011, 08:41 PM   #5
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Question #1 does a Flathead block weigh less than the stand?
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Old 02-22-2011, 08:43 PM   #6
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I love those things...and have been thinking about picking up an old kr Wilson catalogue so I can check out more of their stuff to put on my wishlist. Wondering what catalogue would have the most flathead v8 related items?
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K.R. Wilson X-6000 engine stand. I wish I had one. These are the only thing that will provide a safe, secure stand to work on the flathead engines.
True, the KR Wilson is a solid stand but not the "only" one, Clayborne built a solid stand for the flathead engine that works well!
Will post a photo of mine later!
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Old 02-22-2011, 09:23 PM   #8
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This one mounts on the exhaust manifold a lot of modern ones mount on the bell housing and the engines have been known to brake of .That is the engine bell housing can crack ,This job has the 16 holes for when you are doing a valve job ,A nice piece to have in your Flat-head shop .
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I have a KRW stand that is missing the parts tray and the base.

According to the 1940 KRW catalog they had sold 14,000 of them in the last 20 years. In the catalog the base looks like it was an option, also the base in the 1940 catalog is not cast like the one in the picture, it is made from a 30X30X1/4 steel plate. The tool tray is also different.
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:50 AM   #10
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I converted a cheap-o 3 leg stand into a wide base 4 leg stand, and built the engine holder out of 1/4" plate drilled to bolt onto the exhaust ports. The plate is welded to a thick angle-cut tube that rotates in the stand.
Actually patterned after a HAMB post I found.
I can take pictures and post em up, if you'd like.

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Old 02-23-2011, 07:51 AM   #11
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The angle cut tube is what sets the engine level.
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Old 02-23-2011, 09:06 AM   #12
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Great thread and thanks for the pics.
I have one of those that I have beem trying to soak free to get the head to turn. I had no idea that there was a base for them. Looked like it would have to be fastened to the floor to be stable. It is good to see all the attachments that were available. I will have to be on the lookout for some of them. When I get mine loosened up and working I plan to mount an old flattie on it for display. It would be a good use for a cracked block that would have no other value.
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Old 02-23-2011, 09:37 AM   #13
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I've had one of these stands for about 40 years now. Mine also has the worm gear box for rotating the motor on the stand. Very nice! You can position the engine at any angle you want. It came with the cast square base, but I took it off and threw it away and built a T-shaped base from 4" channel. The square base was too wide to fit between the legs of my engine lift. This all happened 40 years ago. If I had known how valuable these bases were, I would have kept it!!
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Old 02-23-2011, 11:37 AM   #14
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Here are two KR Wilsons, One with and one without a base. Then there's another that we made.
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Stumpy's Fabrication Works makes adapters for a normal engine stand. the adapters bolts to the exhaust side of the block so you negate the chance of breaking the rear of the block. http://stumpysfabworks.zoomshare.com...and%20adapters
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:26 PM   #16
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I would love to have one of those KR Wilson stands.

I built my own adapter to mount my flatty to my crappy modern chinese engine stand.

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I might be wrong, but those welds don't look like they have enough penetration. You might want to clean and reweld them so you don't drop an engine. Don't ask me how I know....
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I might be wrong, but those welds don't look like they have enough penetration. You might want to clean and reweld them so you don't drop an engine. Don't ask me how I know....
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:09 PM   #19
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I know we're getting a bit off-topic from the KR Wilson stands, but here's mine...
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Old 02-23-2011, 08:48 PM   #20
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here's one I had powder coated...coater did it fflat black...would have looked much better hi gloss
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Old 02-24-2011, 03:36 PM   #21
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What were the adjusters at the base used for? for leveling perhaps?
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What were the adjusters at the base used for? for leveling perhaps?
They screw to the floor on each, and keep the stand from moving. Herm.
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One of the nicest engine stands that I saw posted here and possibly on the HAMB, was built by Mike Bishop in CA. It had adapters that mounted to the front and back of the block and the block could be rotated 360* while doing relieving, porting or other work. I believe he also had adapters that bolted to both side of the block at the exhaust ports. The block could also be rotated 360* in that position. It had a motor cycle seat to sit on while working on the block. It was very well made. Wish I had saved some of his posted pictures. I tried to contact him about this but he did not answer my PM or Email messages.
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Old 02-24-2011, 09:34 PM   #24
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OK, so up 'til very recently I had never heard of a KR Wilson stand, much less seen one. Today I go to my neighbours house, and what do I see among the racing Flatties and the old Offenhauser engine collection, is a beautiful K R Wilson on the original base. He showed me all the adapters for it, it does inlines as well as flats. Pretty damn cool piece of equipment!
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Have a look at krwilsontools.com I am sure this will help. Tim
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That KRWilsontools.com website is cool.

I clicked on the Sale/Trade link and noticed they have one of the engine stands for sale...$1200....probably cost that much extra in freight charges!
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A example of the Clayborne stand on the flee-pay.
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Old 02-25-2011, 11:42 AM   #28
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I use a Clayborne, brought back to life after lots of brazing, welding, and seemingly random tabs were added by a previous owner.
It is an extermely good stand that allows the engine to be rotated axially for access to anything.
There is a wartime Ford manual of setting up a high-volume assembly line flathead rebuilding shop that shows endless rows of flatheads moving through the various departments on Claybornes, with boring and valve grinding done on the carts as well as assembly.
End adaptors allow full access for clutch and cam work, and nothing is obstructed.
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The Clayborne was a pretty good idea. It gives support on both ends plus it still allows you to install or remove the camshaft. Hell you can even change the cam bearings. With an oil tray underneath you can catch all the oil slober both coming apart or going together. You can just hoist the motor right up out of it too since it just cradles it to the fittings on each end. They roll OK but they lock two wheels instead of just one like most modern stands. They stay put a little better than the three wheel modern types that usually only lock one wheel.

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Here is a picture of my KR Wilson engine stand. I also have the V8-60 adapter for it. The second picture is of a Model A Engine adapter for a modern engine stand. I have a lot of extra pipe and flat plate metal, so if someone would like me to make them one I could.

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Old 02-26-2011, 04:58 PM   #31
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What a cool enginestand. That KR Wilson website is neat.
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You can get an adapter from Jim Gordon @ Specialty Ford (626)2882290
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Just trying to be helpful, not trying to advertise for anyone. I paid list price for mine.
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This mount that works with a generic engine stand has always worked well for me.



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Old 03-03-2011, 02:32 PM   #35
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How about a Manzel. They were similar to KRW, but were made of Aluminum to cut down on shipping costs. I found this one on the local Craigslist last year.









We have been using this one that my dad made for years. It supports the engine from both sides. We always worried about hanging an engine from one side...even though I know it has been done forever.





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True, the KR Wilson is a solid stand but not the "only" one, Clayborne built a solid stand for the flathead engine that works well!
Will post a photo of mine later!
Actually, according to the list of suggested shop tools in a war time Canadian Ford publication, the stand shown in the original picture is probably made by Wasco. The tool number X-6000 is listed as a Wasco engine stand, and matches the picture in the book.
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I need that 4 speed AA trany in the picture there.the99car@yahoo.com
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This isn't flathead specific... but I picked this up the other night...

its a "Ford Rotunda" with gear driven rotation.... my dad and a friend used it in the 70's to build engines on... did the boring and whatnot right on the stand...

I figure it will fit a flathead nicely.....though not as classy looking as the others..
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This mount that works with a generic engine stand has always worked well for me.




I have this one as well.
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Stumpy's Fabrication Works makes adapters for a normal engine stand. the adapters bolts to the exhaust side of the block so you negate the chance of breaking the rear of the block. http://stumpysfabworks.zoomshare.com...and%20adapters
I have a small run of these ready to weld that I am finally getting around to. $50 + shipping. The tube is 2 3/8" that fits most generic stands. Since these are unwelded I can customize them somewhat if you like before welding.



I will also ship these unwelded with longer tubes if that suits you better, same price. 3/8" plate, 12.5 punds for shipping wieght.

Not trying to spam, just cleaning shop and these might be handy for someone new to flatheads. I will donate a portion of each sale to Ryan for the cost of running the board.
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Nice stuff there fellas, just added one of these stands to my own wish list!
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So what is the angle on these adapters? If you build one, either by cutting the tube at an angle, or by using angle iron, you want the engine to mount up flat when you look across the top or the bottom of it. It it a 45 degree angle from vertical on the adapter face, or some other angle???
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It's hard to believe that only using four exhaust bolt holes is stronger than six bell housing bolts???
I just made an adapter for an extra stand I had that will bolt to the bell housing mount holes on a 49-53 motor.
Is this going to have a chance of breaking the block?
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Here's a picture of my AMMCO stand. I've had it for about 40 years. I've built some nice flatheads on it. I plan to paint it and then get a flathead to mount on it. Will repost pictures once I get the stand painted. Does anyone know for sure what color it was originally? By the looks of it I think it was blue, but can't be sure.
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The late blocks - the ones without the cast on bell housing - will be fine. It's not the strength of the bolts that matters, it's the strength of the casting. The bell housing part of the early style block castings is somewhat thin compared to the weight being supported and the length of the effective lever arm.
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Here's a picture of my AMMCO stand. I've had it for about 40 years. I've built some nice flatheads on it. I plan to paint it and then get a flathead to mount on it. Will repost pictures once I get the stand painted. Does anyone know for sure what color it was originally? By the looks of it I think it was blue, but can't be sure.

Dang, that's really cool. Should put an electric motor on it so a flathead would spin around it stand's uprights.
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I am looking for a complete v8 KR wilson stand.
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So what is the angle on these adapters? If you build one, either by cutting the tube at an angle, or by using angle iron, you want the engine to mount up flat when you look across the top or the bottom of it. It it a 45 degree angle from vertical on the adapter face, or some other angle???

i drilled mine and mounted it to the engine and then welded it to the mounting plate.











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Here are two KR Wilsons, One with and one without a base. Then there's another that we made.
I like the one you made i need one like that for my spare motor.
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I modified the base of an engine stand I found in the trash for my KRW stand, the wide stance makes it very stable.
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Hi All.. I am new to the forum, but thought some of you may be interested in this.

I am cleaning out my barn, and it is time to sell my K R Wilson engine stand. It is missing the tool tray, but does have the rolling base, and an extra long u-channel for even more stability. Has a home-made mounting plate for muscle car work.

It's been a good friend to me, so I'd like it to go to a good home. I'll post more detail in the SwapMeet section.

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Old 10-07-2012, 12:33 PM   #54
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It's hard to believe that only using four exhaust bolt holes is stronger than six bell housing bolts???
I just made an adapter for an extra stand I had that will bolt to the bell housing mount holes on a 49-53 motor.
Is this going to have a chance of breaking the block?

It's not so much that four exhaust bolts are stronger, it's that when a flathead is "hung" by the bell, that is a lot of weight trying to pull it downward and thus putting a lot of torque on the bell housing.

I've heard and seen a more than few flathead with broken bells because they were hung this way. Of course, others have hung a flathead this way for years without issue.
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Old 10-07-2012, 05:18 PM   #55
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The pictures of the flat head mounts are neat does any body have any of the T and A mounts so I can fab some?
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Old 10-07-2012, 07:32 PM   #56
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this has been a great post-loved the link to KR Wilson and reading about him and the business. I think his tools were so good because he understood the problems that needed to be solved.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:47 PM   #57
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These are pictures of my test stand. I have the KRW stand complete also but that is for hanging and working on the engines. My KRW has heavy square "U" channels screwed to the base of the KRW and is wheeled. The screws / bolts are the Allen head, countersunk type. My third is a short wheeled stand for moving the engines around the shop with.
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:29 PM   #58
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I use this for building top end and short test for leaks, carb setup and timing.
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Old 10-16-2012, 08:37 AM   #59
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So again, the late style (non-integrated bell housing) engines will be fine when mounted in a traditional position? You have me worried as I put mine on a stand yesterday..
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Old 10-16-2012, 09:46 AM   #60
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I've seen pictures of Bishop's amazing stand...it was designed specifically with his porting interests in mind, and essentially allows all cuts to be made in about the same position and direction...no weird anles to be ground while bent over and peering upward! It somehow reminds me of a WWII ball turret mount.
I like the Clayborn for compactness and excellent access to everything; its only weakness is that it has a narrow stance and so might be troublesome when using a KD valve bar on a totally stuck guide. Not a problem if you have more than brute force tools and skills for the guides...
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Old 03-05-2013, 10:46 AM   #61
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Hello. Pete, I'm in need of a engine stand and saw pics of yours, very nice. Did you build it and if so would you share prints ? I can sketch it from the pics but the welder would need dimensions. Thanks Mike
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Old 04-13-2013, 08:54 PM   #62
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Here's some in use somewhere back in time!
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I have a small run of these ready to weld that I am finally getting around to. $50 + shipping. The tube is 2 3/8" that fits most generic stands. Since these are unwelded I can customize them somewhat if you like before welding.



I will also ship these unwelded with longer tubes if that suits you better, same price. 3/8" plate, 12.5 punds for shipping wieght.

Not trying to spam, just cleaning shop and these might be handy for someone new to flatheads. I will donate a portion of each sale to Ryan for the cost of running the board.
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Does anyone have an idea of the weight of a 49-53 block? I know the whole engine is 569 lbs but wondering what just the block is.
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Does anyone know if Stumpy is still in business?"? I get no answer on his email.
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I got an adapter from him not to long ago,
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Does anyone know if Stumpy is still in business?"? I get no answer on his email.
Yes he is. Got an e-mail from him on the 4th of May.
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You can get an adapter from Jim Gordon @ Specialty Ford (626)2882290
What adapter does Jim have ?
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Did you go to his website ?

http://stumpysfabworks.zoomshare.com/0.html
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Just bought an adapter from Stumpy last week and now my 59 AB flathead is mounted and happy. Some thing about it being mounted by the bell housing just kind of bothered me.
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Old 05-15-2014, 09:18 AM   #71
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If you've got more than one engine, you need more than one engine stand
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Old 05-15-2014, 09:32 AM   #72
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That first pic is the style I like most, gonna have to make me one some time soon. I like the way the engine is supported giving you access to everything, including the exhaust ports on both sides for porting if you want. And you can really lean on them to strip an engine, without any fear of it tipping over.
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It's hard to believe that only using four exhaust bolt holes is stronger than six bell housing bolts???
I just made an adapter for an extra stand I had that will bolt to the bell housing mount holes on a 49-53 motor.
Is this going to have a chance of breaking the block?
The issue is the "leverage", there is a lot more block handing out from the bellhousing than there is from the side of the block (the center of gravity is a greater distance from the mounting points). Also, the cast material in the bellhousing mounting area is very thin. Thin and cast is not a good combination. There was a big discussion on this subject on the HAMB a few weeks back and a lot of people mount them by the bellhousing. However, they do break! My current block was broken that way and had to be repaired. I would think a look at what was used in shops that worked on flathead blocks daily would let you know the best way to go.

Edit: This is most likely not an issue with the 49-53 blocks, I was referring to the per 49 blocks. However, Ford and most of the shops still used the side mounted style.

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Old 06-01-2014, 09:30 PM   #74
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anyone know how to get ahold of stumpy his websight is hosted by zoomshare? and as of last week its 7 bux to join
I just want a stand adaptor
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Thats new. I have used his website comm just recently.
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Checked our local Craigslist for any K. R. Wilson listings in hopes of finding an engine stand base for a friend. Low and behold a Manzel stand with base and a #4005 mounting plate was listed. Yup, it followed me home. Looks like I need the #6005 mounting plate for my flathead. Quick, everyone check your local Craigslists.

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anyone know how to get ahold of stumpy his websight is hosted by zoomshare? and as of last week its 7 bux to join
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I spend a lot of time porting the exhaust ports, these stands don't work well for that.
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Old 04-25-2015, 12:51 PM   #80
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I don't bother with engine stands anymore. Got a stout wood stand roughly 2' X 2' on a mover's dolly and do my porting with the block setting on end. I find it more convenient to see into the ports and easier to work on them while I'm sitting comfortably in my tall old office chair. Do my flow bench testing set up the same way. Last assembly I did on end as well, once the crank was in. Some old photos of the Ford factory show assembly on end.

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This is a great picture Posted by 29bowtie. Thanks for Posting.
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WOW I love this pic ..... would love it as a poster big in my shop !!!
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I'm still looking for a Manzel 6005 mounting plate for my flathead. Anybody?
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