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Old 09-21-2019, 07:18 PM   #1
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Default 1954 Ranch Wagon Parts ID

Pulled the 239 Y Block and I'm starting to prep for the 302/AOD install and I need some help with a couple of parts(?). First the nut and stud on the upper fire wall below the windshield. It was covered with a glob of what appeared to be strip caulking. Before I crawl under the dash to investigate I thought someone would know what it is/does? Second question, there is what appears to be some type of rubber mount under the radiator but the radiator doesn't rest on it as far as I can tell. Things are much different in this project than the flathead in my '39 p/u so any help is much appreciated. I did look at my chassis manual but came up empty.
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Old 09-21-2019, 09:24 PM   #2
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2nd question, Front mount?


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Okay, so, there is a bolt that goes thru the upper firewall at that location on the '55/56 models. That bolt fastens the brake/clutch pedal bracket to the firewall under the dashboard. The factory had a rubber washer under the bolt washer on the firewall to keep rainwater from leaking into the car.
Instead of globbing caulk all over mine to keep it from leaking, I made my own new rubber washer and replaced the old cracked rubber washer, but you can buy rubber fender washers about that size at some hardware stores. I also get a lot of my fasteners and related products from a place called "Fastenall". They often have brick and mortar stores in towns of over 30,000 population. They might also have rubber or nylon products, but I frequent them for stainless steel fasteners for anything under the car or exposed to the environment.
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So, then, there is a rectangular rubber pad that is wired to the bottom of the radiator U-support bracket. That rubber pad actually does sit on top of the frame front crossmember right in the middle. The U-support bracket is held to the frame by means of two spring-loaded bolts, nuts and washers on the backside of the crossmember. The bolts are only meant to force the rubber pad down upon the top of the frame, and they do not necessarily stabilize the bracket. The bracket is stabilized by the assembly of the rest of the doghouse on all these cars ('52 thru 56).
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Based upon the photos you show, you probably have everything that goes to the front motor mount except for the two bolts that go thru the slotted holes at the front of the motor mount part that is attached to the engine block. Those two bolts should not be tightened until the engine is lowered back into the frame. The two bolts will rest in the two recessed areas in the engine steady rest mounted on the frame. After the engine is in place and all the motor mounting bolts have been started in their threads, the two front motor mount bolts can be tightened so that they clamp onto the steady rest.
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A '54 Ford car shop manual will probably be beneficial in working on this car.
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Thanks all for the info. I do have a 52/53 shop manual with the 54 supplement but it didn't show the mount. Nascardave called me and said the mount in question had to do with the Y block and was not needed when installing the 302. He also said the nut was attached to a rod which goes to the pedal bracket.
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It appears from my '54 Ranch Wagon (which is mostly original around the firewall and under-dash area) that nut at the firewall threads to a long stud that goes down to support a bracket that not only attaches to the brake and clutch pedals, but also to the steering column. I'm guessing the bracket supports the steering column, too, but the stud definitely seems to be in support of the bracket and the bracket definitely supports the pedals.



If you took the caulking off, you probably should've left it on if it was mostly intact. Mine also has the glob of caulking, and like a lot of the caulking I encountered when I removed interior panels to redo the inside of the car years ago, it looks original to the car. Someone may have replaced the caulking, but it could be that those nuts were caulked at the factory to keep it from loosening, but as Dave said probably to seal as well. Might also have been caulked to reduce squeaks and rattles, which is what the caulking in the interior was for.
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Where do I find a part number for the washer for the cowl bolt? I have both the 49-59 parts manual and the 53-54 body manual but cannot seem to find this bracket anywhere in them.

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that mount has nothing to do with a 302.ignore it.
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that mount has nothing to do with a 302.ignore it.
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i just put a y block in a 56 and into the trash it went.hard enough to work on without that in the way.
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The panel where the fastener is mounted, does it appear as OEM or appear as a patch plate used maybe due to stress cracks?





About what size would you would say the rubber insulator assy is?
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Where do I find a part number for the washer for the cowl bolt? I have both the 49-59 parts manual and the 53-54 body manual but cannot seem to find this bracket anywhere in them.
Hardware is listed within the bracket Basic PN -
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The panel where the fastener is mounted, does it appear as OEM or appear as a patch plate used maybe due to stress crac




About what size would you would say the rubber insulator assy is?
that is factory it is to reinforce
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Thanks, already in the trash.
I founded and moderate the 1952-59 Ford Social Group over on the H.A.M.B. I've helped a lot of guys with the 302/AOD swap over the last 10 years the one issue you will face is the length of the 302 if you had a 239 Y-block in it before. If you had the 223 Six it makes things easier as the radiator is mounted further forward. What locates it ahead is the lower sheet metal panels shown here in the right lower corner.
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You can gain additional radiator to water pump clearance by using the early 1965-69 "short" water pump and balancer more info on that in my post #5 here: https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...ulleys.303600/ It also helps to use the mounts in this link (read the notes) to position the 302 back further. https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...-mounts.41498/ The later 1970 & Up "long" water pumps and balancers create more clearance issues.
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You can gain additional radiator to water pump clearance by using the early 1965-69 "short" water pump and balancer more info on that in my post #5 here: https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...ulleys.303600/ It also helps to use the mounts in this link (read the notes) to position the 302 back further. https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...-mounts.41498/ The later 1970 & Up "long" water pumps and balancers create more clearance issues.
Thanks for the good info. I'm sure it will come in handy when I go to install the 302/AOD combo
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...that is factory it is to reinforce

Is it a separate panel or part of the toe-board/cowl?


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You are quite welcome.

I think the insulator assy you are asking about is here -

BM 7001670-A

The complete assy is not shown (or I cannot find it) and you have to piece it together.
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There is a 302/AOD in my car. What I don't like is the angle of the motor/trans and the lack of clearance at the firewall. There is a lot of room between the fan and radiator. If the motor was carbureted, it would need one of those angled spacers at the intake manifold. I have yet to take measurements of the driveshaft angle. The motor is FI and the harness may have come with original motor, however the computer part number reads manual trans. My trans has a tv cable on it. The harness was not stripped down for the basic operation of the motor only.
I would have set up the engine mounts and wiring differently.
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There is a 302/AOD in my car. What I don't like is the angle of the motor/trans and the lack of clearance at the firewall. There is a lot of room between the fan and radiator. If the motor was carbureted, it would need one of those angled spacers at the intake manifold. I have yet to take measurements of the driveshaft angle.

The motor is FI and the harness may have come with original motor, however the computer part number reads manual trans. My trans has a tv cable on it. The harness was not stripped down for the basic operation of the motor only.

I would have set up the engine mounts and wiring differently.
You're most likely OK with the ECM used. Usually for a EEC-IV conversion, a MANUAL TRANS ECM (electronic control module) is used as the AOD is not an electronic trans. The ECM is usually re-burned to eliminate certain emissions control circuits. Was the engine de-smoged?

Did they put a MIL (malfunction indicator lamp) on the car?

Did you ever post photos of the engine conversion? The engine should sit in the cradle normally.
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However, what I found like : the motor alone is 150 pounds less in weight with more power. I can't remember the weight loss for trans, this set up lasts longer in miles and less trouble.. It takes a bit to get the almost 2 ton vehicle moving!! The front of the vehicle may ride a bit higher.

Hi Kultulz! There is an operational MIL, check engine light hanging just below and back of the dash. I removed the EGR, placed a cover on and a bypass for the wiring. Before installing the wire bypass, the check engine light was on. There is an OBD1, yes 1 port which I have yet to read with my purchase of a Reader OBD1.

Leaving for home this weekend, will post photos of engine compartment for the above engine swap. This is the only photo of the engine compartment on my IPad here. There is room behind the motor but I'd prefer more just to find out the layout of the vacuum lines. Don't know yet what the black item is, perhaps for the fuel operating system. There are exhaust readers in the pipes. (I get 14 mpg on a good day.)
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Don't know yet what the black item is, perhaps for the fuel operating system. There are exhaust readers in the pipes. (I get 14 mpg on a good day.)

It appears to be a MAP SENSOR. There should be ID Nos on the top.

By any chance did you record the ECM ID NOS?
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The panel where the fastener is mounted, does it appear as OEM or appear as a patch plate used maybe due to stress cracks?




About what size would you would say the rubber insulator assy is?
No problem KUL ...

Below is a photo of a 54 CRESTLINE which appears correct
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Kultulz here's a photo of my ECM

51504bat, were you on the Force? My ECM is mounted on the passenger side wall kick area and covered by a trim panel.

The side black box contains the fuses, and relay for fuel shut off.

The OBD1 port is here also.
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[QUOTE=Jwawhite;1803331]Kultulz here's a photo of my ECM

51504bat, were you on the Force?

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"Don't know yet what the black item is, perhaps for the fuel operating system. There are exhaust readers in the pipes. (I get 14 mpg on a good day.) "




Jawhite, that black box is a MAP sensor as KULTULZ said. (Manifold Absolute Pressure). The nipple on it that is pointing downward, needs a vacuum hose on it from the intake manifold. With it the way it is, I would expect it's using way too much fuel.


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... The nipple on it that is pointing downward, needs a vacuum hose on it from the intake manifold.

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I think it is hooked up correct for a mas air system. That only hooks to manifold on speed density system.
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I think it is hooked up correct for a mas air system. That only hooks to manifold on speed density system.
... hmmpf ...

Having a MAF ECM, the system must be MAF and that sensor is a BAP sensor.

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You might check here in this problem 1954fordclub.com There are a number of guys that have a 302 in their 54's


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There is a 302/AOD in my car. What I don't like is the angle of the motor/trans and the lack of clearance at the firewall. There is a lot of room between the fan and radiator. If the motor was carbureted, it would need one of those angled spacers at the intake manifold. I have yet to take measurements of the driveshaft angle. The motor is FI and the harness may have come with original motor, however the computer part number reads manual trans. My trans has a tv cable on it. The harness was not stripped down for the basic operation of the motor only.
I would have set up the engine mounts and wiring differently.
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I do have a 52/53 shop manual with the 54 supplement but it didn't show the mount.
The ENGINE STEADY REST is described in the 1954 FORD PASSENGER CAR SHOP MANUAL SUPPLEMENT -

SECTION 1 - Pg No. 6

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SECTION 6 - Pg No.17
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51504bat here are some pics of my 302 install
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I think it is hooked up correct for a mas air system. That only hooks to manifold on speed density system.


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I had a little memory hitch. Thanks for catching me. I forgot about mass air systems compared to speed density systems. I was thinking speed density system.
If it has mass air, then it stays as pictured.


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"5150" someone call the Po-Po

Here are some photos that may give you some insight into installation of your 302.

Motor mounts, underneath car showing gap between fan and radiator, shift linkage w/o Heim joint.... space between firewall and motor, space of fan and radiator looking down at motor.
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I moderate the 52-56 Ford owners group on the HAMB,many of us have done SBF swaps in these Fords,I have a '54 Customline with a 5.0 and AOD so here is the real deal on mounts, you can use 1977 Ford F-150 mounts and they will drop right into place,an AOD or C-4 will line up with the 54-56 transmission crossmember, use a Geniuine Suspension transmission mount (see pic#1) my AOD is hooked up to the stock rear using a 1986 Crown Vic drive shaft using a NEAPCO conversion u-joint to mate it to the '54 rear(pic#2).

The 289-302-5.0 swap is best to do because the exhaust manifolds are very close to the A-frames and steering box the added width of the 351W will make for a challenge,oddly enough the FE motors would fit better than the 351 due to manifold placement,here is a pic of my Ford note the clearance to the steering box.

Also you must use a front sump pan like 65-68 Mustang.You can see I used a mini-starter from DB Electrical for even more clearance to the exhaust,there are a few more tricks to make this an easier swap,feel free to pm me for info.I see that I responded to an old post but there are more of these Fords getting noticed lately so now info is out there.

SOURCE - https://www.hotrodders.com/forum/55-...wap-83526.html

Now this (IMO) is the way a SBF should sit in a 54/56 cradle (minus scubby DIST).
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Old 10-06-2019, 11:57 PM   #39
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Yes, that's the way a motor should sit in the cradle! How is the driveshaft angle to the differential?
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Yes, that's the way a motor should sit in the cradle! How is the driveshaft angle to the differential?



You know something? The way your engine was installed ... ... may have thrown off the angle you are referring to. Final engine to pinion angle may be way off.
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See if this TECH helps - https://www.wolferacecraft.com/pinionangle.aspx
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The ENGINE STEADY REST is described in the 1954 FORD PASSENGER CAR SHOP MANUAL SUPPLEMENT -

SECTION 1 - Pg No. 6

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SECTION 6 - Pg No.17
Thanks. Finally had a chance to pull out the manual and look at the photos of the steady rest. The metal bracket that attaches to the engine was missing. All that remained was the partially rotten rubber mount. Not that it matters since the 302/AOD combo won't need it.
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