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Old 06-01-2011, 08:33 PM   #21
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What is the extra oil line at the rear of the 8BA block with the full flow system for?
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Old 06-02-2011, 08:49 PM   #22
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It is my understanding that, in Canada, they made a transitional block between the 59 and 8BA, that being the C69A and these blocks were produced with an 8BA crank and rods from the factory.

I have one buried in my garage somewhere and will dig it out some time soon and photograph it for reference purposes and at the same time I will check it for sleeves too.
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Old 06-02-2011, 09:12 PM   #23
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Wonderful engine infor.couple of points 39 US engins used tin can sleeves Canada never used them .re the hardness can, engins were much toughter one can tell the difference with a file. and they never needed the tin cans .Can. engins had 3 oil outlets on the bell housings .They started to use insert bearings ahead of US..46 Can cars could be ordered with either the 3 3/16 or 31/16 size to 48. John Canada.
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Old 06-08-2011, 09:08 PM   #24
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I added 1933 engine and crankshaft pictures that David J provided.

Many thanks to the people who helped with this.

Picture of a tin can sleeve as mentioned by our Canadian compatriot.

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Old 06-28-2011, 10:30 PM   #25
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Something to consider : Look at the cast in vent tower around the fuel pump bushing on the 35-36 block . Look at the holes drilled for the main cap bolts on the 33 block by the fuel pump bushing . Same issue with the RF main cap bolt -v-vented block . This kinda ends the bolt-stud mystery with me . Mebbe y'all nowd dis aready but me dint . An dasssa gooot David J
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Old 06-28-2011, 11:02 PM   #26
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On the original post you say "fails pencil test" for the 59AB 1946 block. What does that mean?....thanks,..Matt in Alameda
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Old 06-29-2011, 01:29 AM   #27
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Default Re: Engine block I.D. pictures

Maybe this could be of some help.
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Old 06-29-2011, 06:24 PM   #28
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That is the article that got me started on flathead block identification. It is a nice article, but leaves a lot out. Thanks for posting it.

Matt in Alameda - the paragraph right under the line about 1942 blocks gives a description of the pencil test. I need to get out to my Dad's shop and take a picture of one of our prewar blocks with a pencil on it.
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Old 06-30-2011, 12:31 PM   #29
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What is the extra oil line at the rear of the 8BA block with the full flow system for?


http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v5...9498BAback.jpg

This looks like the Red's Header's version that supplies filtered oil to the rear main that is normally not filtered by the so called 95% full flow mod.
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Old 08-19-2011, 08:26 AM   #30
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Rowdy had questions about ID'ing a 21 stud block and this should do it .
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Old 08-19-2011, 10:43 AM   #31
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I just went back and looked at this post again based on Hoops post on Rowdy's questions about ID'ing early FH blocks.

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1. Are there any other pictures needed to further clarify 38 Coupes posts here?
2. Did Mac Van Pelt ever add this info with pictures to his website?

Lots of great info here that should be permanently documented somewhere so it could be easily referenced and passed along to others who may want to know the same question that Rowdy asked.
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Old 08-19-2011, 11:21 PM   #32
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Hats off to 38Coupe. I hadn't seen this post before today. Great info here which could become the basis for a book.

A couple of comments and a question...

Freeze plugs: These were actually core plugs. A core plug is required to fill the holes left in castings from positioning blocks in sand castings.

21 - 24 stud transition: The Ford historian Allan Nevins has it that the 24 stud was to be job #1 for '38, but low sales and overproduction of the 21 stud resulted in side by side production, as the need for service blocks was not as strong as expected.

Can anyone identify differences and time frame between the 59A and the 59AB, and was this a head only difference or were there differences in the block as well?
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Old 08-20-2011, 12:00 PM   #33
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According to a March 1934 parts book these are simply " plug{water jacket } " and carry pt # 74113-S . These are 3/4 " expansion plugs and your friendly John Deere dealer will sell you as many as you want for $.48 each . JD pt # 30H9 . Does it really matter if you refer to them as " freeze or core " as Henry just called them plugs . David J
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Hats off to 38Coupe. I hadn't seen this post before today. Great info here which could become the basis for a book.

A couple of comments and a question...

Freeze plugs: These were actually core plugs. A core plug is required to fill the holes left in castings from positioning blocks in sand castings.
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Old 08-20-2011, 12:39 PM   #34
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David, actually, no, it doesn't matter, unless you don't really care about the reason they are there. A freeze plug is a different animal than a core plug.
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:09 PM   #35
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Great thread, thanks for doing this!

Here are some '32 engine pics:


















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Old 01-27-2012, 07:20 PM   #36
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Great pictures, Thanks!
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Old 01-28-2012, 08:09 AM   #37
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i Believe the '32-'33 valve guides included a frlange instead of the horseshoe clip. Removal of valves had to be done in the valley as the guides could not come out o the top.

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Old 01-28-2012, 01:16 PM   #38
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You are correct sir . Lipped guide is part # 18-6510-A in a December 1932 parts book & the guide with the groove for the horseshoe clip is part # 40-6510 in a March 1934 parts book . Retainer for the big spring is part# 18-6514 & the retainer for the small spring is pt # 40-6514 . Big spring is part # 18-6513 in a December 1932 parts book & part # 40-6513-AR in a March 1934 parts book . Small spring is part # 40-6513-B . The smaller 34-up setup does indeed come out the top & is much easier to deal with . Time & rust-crud sometimes complicate this though . The big spring {32-33} setup is a hassle as like mentioned B4 it only comes out the bottom .
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Old 01-28-2012, 01:58 PM   #39
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This is a great post. Thanks for all the information.
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Ok I think I found it!
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