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Old 12-28-2017, 10:15 PM   #81
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So I'm assuming a 1960 Courier is the same as a Ranch Wagon minus the 2nd row seat.

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Your question shot completely over my head ...

As best as I can determine (using period ads and the MPC), both vehicles had the folding 2nd rear seat assy.

It seems to me (IMO) that it would have made the vehicle build cost for FORD more with a special delete design and resulting less usefulness of the vehicle.
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Old 12-29-2017, 02:11 PM   #82
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So it sounds like the only difference between a Courier and Ranch Wagon in 1960 was the model emblem on the quarter panel. Not doubting it at all, but sounds strange and redundant.

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So it sounds like the only difference between a Courier and Ranch Wagon in 1960 was the model emblem on the quarter panel. Not doubting it at all, but sounds strange and redundant.

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I would imagine the Interior Trim Level/Option List was different and the suspension ratings.

You may find this interesting also-

1959 Tudor Ranch Wagon (59C)
1959 Tudor Ranch Wagon "Country Sedan" (59D)
1959 Tudor Ranch Wagon "Courier" (59E)
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Old 12-29-2017, 09:43 PM   #84
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KULTLZ,

Thank you for the '59 model numbers.

When I looked closely at the picture of the blue '60 Courier that you posted in post #80, I could see there didn't appear to be a 2nd row seat, and also it appeared the front seat was only on the driver's side. I realize these are actuall artist drawings and not photos, but still usually accurate.

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Old 12-30-2017, 01:19 AM   #85
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Thank you for the '59 model numbers.

When I looked closely at the picture of the blue '60 Courier that you posted in post #80, I could see there didn't appear to be a 2nd row seat, and also it appeared the front seat was only on the driver's side. I realize these are actuall artist drawings and not photos, but still usually accurate.

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You have a good eye for detail. I guess that is why you are a carb specialist...

I went back into the period MPC and the 1960 FORD Courier (59E - only) shows two separate seats as opposed to the regular one piece tilt forward back bench seat.

I would a$$-u-me that the passenger side folds down. Not sure as that detail is not mentioned. Maybe a Shop, Owners and/or Assembly Manual of that year would give more detail.

See Ill below.
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- http://www.dailyturismo.com/2017/06/...d-courier.html

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According to the seller "this wagon was call a courier for it came with no back seat and hard to fine." The Courier was a Sedan Delivery version that skipped back seats and instead gave you more room to haul your junk.
I may find myself corrected (again).

The folding rear seat MPC Ill only refers to Body Type 59. It does not actually infer either 59C and/or 59E.



I need a 60 Shop Manual...
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Old 12-30-2017, 01:51 AM   #87
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Here is an enlarged picture from the Ford Car Parts Manual Posted by KULTULZ. At the bottom, you will see the Body Code Number 59E, which is the Code Number for the 1960 Ford Courier (Sedan Delivery).
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From this Chart, you will see that the 1960 Ford Courier is actually referred to as a 2 dr Commercial Ranch Wagon, Body Code 59E. The regular 2 dr Ranch Wagon is Body Code 59C. All very interesting.
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From this Chart, you will see that the 1960 Ford Courier is actually referred to as a 2 dr Commercial Ranch Wagon, Body Code 59E. The regular 2 dr Ranch Wagon is Body Code 59C. All very interesting.
The 59C and 59E Body Codes applied to both the 1960 and the 1961 FORD 2DR Wagons.
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I know that Ford produced a Ford Falcon Sedan Delivery in 1961. Did they also produce a "full-size" 1961 Ford Courier? The attached picture is too small to enlarge.
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Here is a larger picture of the 1961 Ford Falcon Sedan Delivery from the Sales brochure. It is not the best quality as it started out as a small picture.
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I know that Ford produced a Ford Falcon Sedan Delivery in 1961. Did they also produce a "full-size" 1961 Ford Courier?
Yes. It was the continuation of the 1960 Courier. Both with side glass.



The Ill does not show the badging (RANCH WAGON - COURIER) well, so I cropped it below.

The badging was moved to the rear gate for 1961.

I had a good photo but cannot find it...

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FOUND IT!

Just a side shot and not identified as either a RANCH WAGON or COURIER, but they both looked the same...
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Thank you KULTULZ and Mercman.
You have cleared things up enough to satisfy me. Great info.

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Old 12-30-2017, 01:12 PM   #94
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Now, you want to start a new controversy?

What is wrong with this picture(s) (supposedly a dedicated restoration)-
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Maybe that as a sedan delivery, it should be the cheap model, rather than the Fairlane trim??
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The front bumper over-rider is from a Mercury?
Aftermarket spotlights, chrome wire wheels & rocker panel trim...
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Maybe that as a sedan delivery, it should be the cheap model, rather than the Fairlane trim??


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You are sharp! You stole my thunder...

Actually, it is the 57 Ranch Wagon Del Rio trim level.
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The front bumper over-rider is from a Mercury?
Actually, that is an optional grille guard.

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I think the spot lamps/mirrors were again optional/accessory. The wires are later BIRD K-H and the rocker panel kit was optional and also available in a kit.

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My thoughts are that the Front Bumper is correct, with a Genuine Ford Accessory piece above the Bumper Guards, however, I have never seen the side chrome on the bumper on 57 Fords. Also, it has Custom 300 side trim with the added Gold between the two chrome strips. The Brochure for the Ranchero that I checked doesn't list the 300 trim, just the base Custom trim? Maybe, the 300 trim was available on later models? These are my thoughts on this Sedan Delivery.
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My thoughts are that the Front Bumper is correct, with a Genuine Ford Accessory piece above the Bumper Guards, however, I have never seen the side chrome on the bumper on 57 Fords.
Side chrome on bumper?

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Also, it has Custom 300 side trim with the added Gold between the two chrome strips. The Brochure for the Ranchero that I checked doesn't list the 300 trim, just the base Custom trim? Maybe, the 300 trim was available on later models? These are my thoughts on this Sedan Delivery.
The TRIM is taken from the 57 2DR RANCH WAGON DEL RIO.

The 2nd image below shows how the base RANCH WAGON and SEDAN DELIVERY came through.

The actual car is described here- https://silodrome.com/ford-courier-sedan-delivery/
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