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Old 01-25-2019, 04:20 PM   #21
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Here's the history of the aircraft:




Justin Taylan 2018
Aircraft History
Built by Ford as 5-AT-B Trimotor during 1928. First flight on December 1, 1928. During January 1929, sold to Transcontinental Air Transport (TAT) and registered as NC9645. Nicknamed "City of Wichita" in honor of the initiation of transcontinental commercial air service on July 7, 1929 with "City of Columbus".
In April 1931, purchased by Transcontinental and Western Air (TWA) and helped develop the airlines flight routes. In July 1935 sold to G. Ruckstill / Grand Canyon Airlines. Next, in February 1937 to Boulder Dam Tours.
In December 1937 sold to Transportes Aereos del Continente Americano (TACA Airlines) and registered in Honduras as AN-AAS. In 1942 sold to an unknown owner in Compeche, Mexico and registered as XA-FUB. In 1950, registered to another unknown owner in Compeche, Mexico and registered as XA-NET.
During 1951, during a major overhaul, the corrugated skin was removed and replaced with flat metal skin and was dubbed “the smooth-skin Ford" and sold in July 1953. In January 1954 damaged during an accident and afterwards placed into storage.
In 1955, purchased by Eugene Frank of Caldwell, Idaho and transported to the United States and registered as N58996 and was placed into storage. In July 1964 sold to William F. Harrah of Harrah’s Hotel and Casinos in Nevada, and returned the plane’s registration to NC9645. Over the next seven years, fully restored with corrugated skin. In 1971 the trimotor returned to flying condition and was flown in Reno then to static display as part of the Harrah Collection until he passed away. In June 1986 auction to Gary Norton of Athol, Idaho.
In February 1999, acquired by Evergreen Aviation & Space Museum and placed into storage until 1996 when it underwent another restoration and resumed flying.
During 2014, acquired by Ed Patrick / Liberty Aviation Museum and registered as N964 arriving during July 2014. Afterwards, this aircraft entered into a leas agreement with the Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA) and began flying around the United States are part of the EAA Ford Tri-Motor Tour.
This aircraft has a natural metal finish. The lower left wing has "NC9645" painted in black block. On the right side of the nose is "City of Port Clinton" (where it is normally based). On the left side of the nose is "City of Wichita". The fuselage has the Transcontinental Air Transport (TAT) logo. The tail has "Ford" and "NC9645".
References
FAA Registry - Ford 5-AT-B Trimotor N9645
Liberty Aviation Museum - Ford Tri-Motor "City of Port Clinton"
EAA - History of the Liberty Ford Tri-Motor 5-AT-B
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Old 01-25-2019, 06:32 PM   #22
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One was flying around North Mesa yesterday afternoon by Falcon Field. Though was seeing something large and SLOW flying and was the Ford Tri-motor.
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https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Arch...AIRPLANE-70573

Got a few bullet holes in it.
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Old 01-25-2019, 08:39 PM   #24
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My 1937 Ford with the Ford Tri Motor Airplane at the Ford Motor Company Hangar at the former Ford Airport (Now Lansing Municipal) at Lansing, Illinois.
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Old 01-25-2019, 09:22 PM   #25
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Don't sell these old prop planes short! There is a niche for them! Catalinas make excellent forest fire fighters (so i'm told) They can swoop down on a lake and fill their tanks without too much loss in airspeed, Bill Stout, who was Ford's designer of the Trimotor, in 1958 (IIRC) produced one. It was called "One More Tri". Stout was of a pretty advanced age by then and the project went nowhere. But now we have the Russian Antonov AN 2 Colt which parallels the Ford's go slow, but anywhere ability. The Antonov is a real throwback! It is a bi plane with a huge 1000 HP Shvetsov Radial engine. It looks like something out of the 1920s, but the first one was produced in 1947 and they were still cranking them out in the 1980s, Many east bloc countries produced them under license. this airplane was the "Farm Truck" of Russia, hauling cattle and supplies to remote areas. There is one in NJ.It's painted red and white with the name of Lithuanian Air Force. I've been on this plane but not up in it. The FAA was on the field and the US Govt considers it an experimental and won't allow him to take passengers up. Getting back to the Ford's, To produce this plane today would require a good source of new Radial engines. Even HF used Curtis Wright
"Whirlwind" engines. The Russians and the Poles are the only ones making them today.
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Island Airlines in Port Clinton flew trimotors for many years and we used to go to Put-in-Bay on them. Quite a thrill! They wouldn't fly very fast and when they got over the island they just sort of plopped down out of the sky. Island had a few planes and they used some for parts. When they ran out of parts they retired the rest of the fleet. Victory Air Museum in Port Clinton is building a brand new trimotor from the original plans. I don't know if it's done yet, but they've been working on it for years.
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Very nice to see (and to hear!). 8 miles nearly we have some oldtimer planes. 4 Harvard T 6, 3 Boeing Stearman, 1 Ryan PT 2, ... . Ford planes are not flying in Germany.
Hi Werner,

Actually a Ford Trimotor did fly in Germany!!! On 9 August 1929, a Ford trimotor flew across the border into Germany on its publicity tour of Europe. To document that event, here is a photo of the first page of the German Ford Trimotor sales brochure where you can read about it for yourself, auf Deutsch:


mit Ford Trimotor Grüße aus Maryland,
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https://www.eaa.org/shop/Flights/FlyTheFord.aspx
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There is a Junkers JU52 w/one engine in a museum in Winnipeg. It was de-constructed from a JU52-3M to replicate a plane that worked in the Canadian north for many years.
See: http://royalaviationmuseum.com/infog...u-521m-cf-arm/
http://royalaviationmuseum.com/junkers-ju-52-cf-arm/
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Old 01-27-2019, 02:53 PM   #29
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Unfortunately, I now had to read in the newspaper that Lufthansa will no longer fly with the Junkers 52 from this year. Although a round trip per hour cost 400, -, were always booked all places. But because the costs could not be covered, the management decided against this beautiful aircraft. This management had also stopped the restoration of the Constellation.

I think that's a pity. It has always been a good image advertising.

But in this day and age managers have no desire for sentimentality.

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Guten Tag Brad.

This is a very interesting little book! I have a lot of literature about old machines and motors, about aviation, etc. Richard Bach wrote very, very beautiful stories about his flying.
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The JU-52 saved alot of lives in the debacle at Stalingrad. Overloaded food and medical supplies flying in,loaded with wounded flying out over russian held areas..pockmarked runways,subzero temperatures.
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Old 01-28-2019, 08:47 AM   #31
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I did some more reading, being sparked by this thread. Def an interesting and groundbreaking aircraft. It was also the first plane to do an in flight refuel of another airplane. I always thought the 'Ford' in tri motor was because it had Ford motors! There are only about 8 still flying, which stands to reason why I have never seen one.
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Old 01-28-2019, 09:20 AM   #32
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Ford also worked on a plane for every man.. the 'flivver plane' the raw profits from the T sped aircraft development,speedboat development and a number of Mr Fords personal projects..those same profits also kept the automobile business alive when the didnt turn a profit from cars...from 1929 to 1946..Never wonder why he stuck with the T,it made him a fortune..
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My father was flown out of Russia with "Aunt Ju". In the plane layed many soldiers with lost frozen feet and shrapnels in the body. They only just screamed. They only got schnapps.



Later, my father had to go back to the front and starved 4 years in Russian captivity with bugs and fleas. He has never been able to enjoy the Ju again.
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Supplement to picture no. 30



To start the engines at -35 ° C, the engine oil was diluted with 1/3 gasoline, otherwise the engines were too stiff.
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You father survived Stalingrad only to be sent back to the east and be captured by the russians and spent four years in captivity?..he was lucky to survive both,extremely lucky..the russians didnt treat german pows well,no geneva convention..
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I flew around for years with business
After several "issues" with flight I decided if God intended me to fly I would have wings and feathers. Nothing like miracle on the Hudson but enough to make one sweat and ponder mortality!
I'm now a land lover.
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In Dayton, Ohio, I flew in a Tri motor in the early 60s. I was 12 or 13. The plane was touring the midwest. I don't remember if it flew from the Moraine airport or from the Montgomery County Airport, now Dayton-Wright Bros. airport, home of the Wright B flyer.
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In 2003 at he Iola, Wisconsin car show, there was a Tri-Motor offering rides at a reasonable price. (I think it was from the EAA).
Anyhow, after watching it fly overhead, making a lot of noise, and seemingly going nowhere fast, I decided to keep my feet on the ground.
My loss, I'm sure.
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Hello,


here is once a tri mot picture of me. The Junkers along with two North American T-6. Air Show Aachen-Merzbrück.
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Hallo!
The T 6 was actually an AT 6 (AT- Advanced Trainer) Were they training the new Luftwaffe pilots with them? Whenever at plane, car, boat, gun, etc is "Out of place" one wonders how they got there. Who knows! I wouldn't look for them in Germany. I have heard that the AT 6 was fitted out with guns and used in combat in Korea. Also, I have heard that the Japanese designed their "Zero" using the AT 6 as a model. Whether or not either one is true, I can't say. It's quite an airplane either way.
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