4x4 decendent of Model A ?

[M2M]

The Soviet made ГАЗ-61-73

I've read that Livingwood, known for his Model T 4x4 conversions, put together a Model A 4x4 kit.

[Jim Huseby]

With a Mopar flat head six.

[M2M]

Engine is a 3,485 cc (212.7 cu in) 6-cyl with 85 hp. Not Mopar, but perhaps they borrowed from the Mopar design???

[Dave Mellor NJ]

Body looks mostly made from a 33-34 Ford.

[M2M]

Jim, I checked and you are correct that the Soviet made engine is based on a Mopar design.

"Towards the end of the 1930s the decision was taken to replace the by now rather dated Ford designed side-valve engine. Again, the manufacturer turned to the US auto-industry, this time to Chrysler. The engine selected was the six cylinder unit fitted to the Dodge D5, which was considered relatively advanced at the time despite being a development of a unit that had originated back in 1928. The 3485cc unit produced 76 PS (56 kW; 75 hp) which was far more power than that produced by the Ford designed units that had powered the earlier M-1s. The necessary drawings were purchased in 1937-38, and after all the measurements had been converted to their metric values the necessary tooling was created and volume production of this engine, now designated as the GAZ-11 unit, began in 1940. The same unit was the basis for power units fitted in the manufacturer’s Pobeda and in the larger Zim limousine. It also found its way into the remarkable all-wheel drive GAZ-61 as well as various military applications such as tanks and gun carriages."

From:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAZ-M1

[updraught]

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That Chrysler engine was supposed to be pretty good? My father was always going on about it in his 1936 Plymouth tourer.

Last Jeep we hired it looked like it had the OHV version of it.

Aren't Jeeps going to be Chinese owned soon? Sure I read that somewhere.

[SeaSlugs]

Originally Posted by updraught

That Chrysler engine was supposed to be pretty good? My father was always going on about it in his 1936 Plymouth tourer.

Last Jeep we hired it looked like it had the OHV version of it.

Aren't Jeeps going to be Chinese owned soon? Sure I read that somewhere.

I dunno jeeps died in 2006 for all I'm concerned. Wrangler got fatter (as wide as a fullsize truck - defeats the whole purpose of a wrangler) minivan v6 engine, no rock solid axles anymore...

[1930artdeco]

I do like how it has a Model A drive train though-or maybe a later version of a ford drive train?

Mike

[SeaSlugs]

I am curious as to what transfer case setup they have or however they supply power to both axles. Looks similar to an AA 4 speed trans so maybe their using the PTO take off?

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by 1930artdeco

I do like how it has a Model A drive train though-or maybe a later version of a ford drive train?

Mike

Several years ago there was a home-made 4x4 Model-A tractor/doodlebug on eBay that someone had used a Jeep CJ steering knuckles and mounted onto the end of a Model-A axle housings where the unit had a rear axle mounted up front too. It was a very clean modification, and the CJ and Wagoneer use the same lug bolt pattern as a Model-A, so the Model-A wheel bolts right on. I also seem to recall that he used the Jeep Wagoneer transfer case behind a AA transmission too.

The thing that I have always wondered about with the Livingwood set-up is we know that the stock Ford rear axle actually pushes on the back of the transmission, -and one can assume the front differential and torque tube and "pulling" on the transfer case, but with typical bumps, chug holes, and stumps that the front end would encounter, that sure is placing a lot of stress on the flywheel housing, the clutch housing, and that transfer case.

I have enclosed some pics below of a Livingwood 4x4 set-up for a Model-T. Take close note of that first picture of how the spring perch and the radius rod end are installed to the housing. Kinda makes you wonder how that spring perch shaft goes all the way thru without rubbing on that axle shaft huh!

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[Bruce of MN]

Originally Posted by M2M

The Soviet made ГАЗ-61-73

I've read that Livingwood, known for his Model T 4x4 conversions, put together a Model A 4x4 kit.

Way too dangerous with the fore and aft springs!

[40 Deluxe]

Originally Posted by BRENT in 10-uh-C

The thing that I have always wondered about with the Livingwood set-up is we know that the stock Ford rear axle actually pushes on the back of the transmission, -and one can assume the front differential and torque tube and "pulling" on the transfer case, but with typical bumps, chug holes, and stumps that the front end would encounter, that sure is placing a lot of stress on the flywheel housing, the clutch housing, and that transfer case.

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From the photo of the under carriage, it has regular leaf springs on each corner so no driveline stresses.