The Ford Barn

Rubatoguy · 08-05-2013, 09:43 AM

The teardown of the newly rebuilt engine (30 years ago) continues. Take a look at the oil pump drive. Can anyone tell me the clearance reccomended in the photo below, and if the top piece should have groves on the underside for slinging oil? Clearly things do not look good for 10 miles running time. Looks like the gear is evidencing metal fatigue.

700rpm · 08-05-2013, 10:41 AM

I can't answer your questions, but I can say if I pulled out a unit that looked like that I'd just replace it. New ones are cheap, well made, and readily available. Go see Tom at The Ford Works.

ursus · 08-05-2013, 06:11 PM

It looks like they just put the old worn-out gear back in during the rebuild. That thing is shot and should be replaced. The gap is determined by the relationship of the gear and the lower retainer piece to the cast body and is usually around 0.006-0.010 inches. The lower retainer piece has shallow criss-crossed grooves cut into the bearing surface and the gear has a spiral groove along its shaft.

Steve Plucker · 08-05-2013, 06:14 PM

My question is...what does the rest of the innards look like!??

Pluck

1931 flamingo · 08-05-2013, 07:15 PM

Ditto to Pluck.
Paul in CT

Flathead · 08-05-2013, 08:17 PM

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That poor thing is eaten away by rust and/or acid in the oil, it should be replaced. How are the gear teeth on the cam? I would question the general quality of the rebuild, unless it was a hard 30 years of storage.

Rubatoguy · 08-05-2013, 08:35 PM

I've posted other photos of the engine - search for Rubatoguy as the poster. When received the engine had a knock and was taken to a local bay area shop - Mal's A sales, who discovered the oil pump broken off just past the entrance to the block. Also the center main had 6 thousands clearance, and there was a rag blocking the front bearing galley. It is a B block. Because of overheating, the engine was not run more than 10 miles, and then when my Dad got sick and later passed, it sat in a garage for 30 years before I got it.

Rubatoguy · 08-05-2013, 08:36 PM

Is the Ford works still in business? If you search the web it says they are not in business and the google photo of the location has a big sign that says "For Lease." If they are not out of business, they should correct the bad information.

Fred K-OR · 08-05-2013, 09:50 PM

Yes they are in business. Call Tom at 503-282-2212. Address is 2810 N Ainsworth st.

pat in Santa Cruz · 08-05-2013, 11:06 PM

sounds as if the "rebuild" might have consisted of rings and a valve lap, if that. "Rebuilt" is one of those words like "restored" that can have a different meaning to the seller than it does to the buyer. What do the main bearings look like? You might consider having it rebuilt for real.

Mike V. Florida · 08-06-2013, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by pat in Santa Cruz

sounds as if the "rebuild" might have consisted of rings and a valve lap, if that. "Rebuilt" is one of those words like "restored" that can have a different meaning to the seller than it does to the buyer. What do the main bearings look like? You might consider having it rebuilt for real.

I agree there is just too much wrong for it to have been rebuilt by anyone taking money for the job.

Tiny · 08-07-2013, 12:35 AM

I grew up going to Mal's as a kid in the 70's. They just don't have places like that anymore. Thanks for sparking that memory

08-05-2013, 10:41 AM	#2
700rpm Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 5,906	Re: Oil pump drive I can't answer your questions, but I can say if I pulled out a unit that looked like that I'd just replace it. New ones are cheap, well made, and readily available. Go see Tom at The Ford Works. __________________ Ray Horton, Portland, OR As you go through life, keep your eye on the donut, not the hole.

08-05-2013, 06:11 PM	#3
ursus Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,375	Re: Oil pump drive It looks like they just put the old worn-out gear back in during the rebuild. That thing is shot and should be replaced. The gap is determined by the relationship of the gear and the lower retainer piece to the cast body and is usually around 0.006-0.010 inches. The lower retainer piece has shallow criss-crossed grooves cut into the bearing surface and the gear has a spiral groove along its shaft.

08-05-2013, 06:14 PM	#4
Steve Plucker BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA Posts: 6,066	Re: Oil pump drive My question is...what does the rest of the innards look like!?? Pluck

08-05-2013, 07:15 PM	#5
1931 flamingo Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: new britain,ct 06052 Posts: 9,390	Re: Oil pump drive Ditto to Pluck. Paul in CT

08-05-2013, 08:17 PM	#6
Flathead Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 1,498	Re: Oil pump drive Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) That poor thing is eaten away by rust and/or acid in the oil, it should be replaced. How are the gear teeth on the cam? I would question the general quality of the rebuild, unless it was a hard 30 years of storage.

08-05-2013, 08:35 PM	#7
Rubatoguy Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Oregon City Posts: 47	Re: Oil pump drive I've posted other photos of the engine - search for Rubatoguy as the poster. When received the engine had a knock and was taken to a local bay area shop - Mal's A sales, who discovered the oil pump broken off just past the entrance to the block. Also the center main had 6 thousands clearance, and there was a rag blocking the front bearing galley. It is a B block. Because of overheating, the engine was not run more than 10 miles, and then when my Dad got sick and later passed, it sat in a garage for 30 years before I got it.

08-05-2013, 08:36 PM	#8
Rubatoguy Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Oregon City Posts: 47	Re: Oil pump drive Is the Ford works still in business? If you search the web it says they are not in business and the google photo of the location has a big sign that says "For Lease." If they are not out of business, they should correct the bad information.

08-05-2013, 09:50 PM	#9
Fred K-OR Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Stayton, Oregon Posts: 3,806	Re: Oil pump drive Yes they are in business. Call Tom at 503-282-2212. Address is 2810 N Ainsworth st. __________________ Fred Kroon 1929 Std Coupe 1929 Huckster

08-05-2013, 11:06 PM	#10
pat in Santa Cruz Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: santa cruz, calif Posts: 2,011	Re: Oil pump drive sounds as if the "rebuild" might have consisted of rings and a valve lap, if that. "Rebuilt" is one of those words like "restored" that can have a different meaning to the seller than it does to the buyer. What do the main bearings look like? You might consider having it rebuilt for real.

08-07-2013, 12:35 AM	#12
Tiny Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Redding Cal Posts: 1,388	Re: Oil pump drive I grew up going to Mal's as a kid in the 70's. They just don't have places like that anymore. Thanks for sparking that memory