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12-25-2018, 04:42 PM | #1 |
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Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans
I don't have a very big pile of stuff to look at near me. Wanting to do an F1 for my next project. Got most everything but the truck, have an 8BA, floor shift 3 speed and the bellhousing and starter plate. And the flywheel, too, I've mocked all this up. But I only have a car oil pan, won't know until later if this will fit down into the pickup.
Here's the question: I see the pictures of the truck pans, just what is that rear welded on bracket for? And why? Tried to steal a picture off ebay, but it wouldn't let me. |
12-25-2018, 06:27 PM | #2 |
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Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans
Mercury uses a right angle bracket.
It's just an added support bolted to studs on the bottom of the pan to the bottom bolts of the starter plate. In the F1 it is a different shape and welded to the pan.
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12-25-2018, 07:09 PM | #3 |
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Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans
So it's just to brace the starter plate.......and they thought the Ford cars didn't need it?
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12-25-2018, 10:18 PM | #4 |
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Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans
It does not just brace the starter plate. The starter plate is sandwiched between it and the transmission bell housing which is also supported.
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12-25-2018, 07:43 PM | #5 |
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Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans
It also braces the bottom of the bell housing on the truck pans. I'm not that familiar with Mercury pans, but I think the bell housing is also braced that that pan, too. You will notice that the non-truck bell housings on the 8BA style engines didn't have any bracing/attachment below the block.
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12-25-2018, 09:23 PM | #6 |
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12-25-2018, 09:45 PM | #7 |
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Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans
for an F1 you will need a truck/merc rear sump pan because the tie rod will hit a car oil pan. I had to change out the car pan put in my 49 F1, by a previous owner.
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12-25-2018, 09:48 PM | #8 |
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Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans
That there is the exact pics I was trying to post from ebay. Thanks, guys.
But is this it? Somebody thought trucks and Mercurys needed more support than cars? |
12-25-2018, 09:59 PM | #9 |
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Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans
Alan: I don't doubt I'll need a truck pan. I just can't see it in my head yet, though.
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12-25-2018, 10:18 PM | #10 |
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Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans
You need to show us a picture of your starter plate. You may or may not have the correct one.
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12-25-2018, 10:54 PM | #11 |
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Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans
Hello 26 lakes: I don't seem to have a pic here that really shows the plate. But here's my setup, starter seems to hang right, it engages and cranks over good:
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12-25-2018, 10:55 PM | #12 |
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Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans
That isn't the pic I wanted
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12-25-2018, 11:09 PM | #13 |
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Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans
I took a 8 rt motor apart last week. What do you want a picture of? They are not clean yet but I have everything minus a transmission
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12-25-2018, 11:21 PM | #14 |
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Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans
Hyvolt: What it is I've never seen is; the second pic posted above by Bob C. I've never seen that pan in place bolted to something at that bracket. So I don't understand what it's for. Elementary stuff, I just haven't been around a pickup with an engine in it, or found the right picture on google.
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12-25-2018, 11:32 PM | #15 |
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Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans
I'll get you a pic of all the parts tomorrow. Oil pan just ties into the lower flywheel sheild, which is bolted to the trans adapter. I guess it what the thought they needed to do coming from the previous flathead oil pan style. I know allot of modern engines now have multiple tie points
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12-25-2018, 11:52 PM | #16 |
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Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans
I'm running a Merc oil pan in my truck. The Merc has three studs for a bracket that performs the same function, but the bracket went missing. I made one from angle iron and flat plate. Here's what it looks like, whether you do it with the truck pan or with a Merc pan.
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12-25-2018, 11:54 PM | #17 |
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Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans
Well, don't get all greasy unless you're going to anyway. Man, we all spend a lot of time scraping crud off. My latest discovery is Dollar General oven cleaner.
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12-25-2018, 11:55 PM | #18 |
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Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans
Thanks, Ross!
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12-25-2018, 11:59 PM | #19 |
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Haven't tried the oven cleaner, but I do use pine-sol for carb dip. Works awesome. Gotta use the name brand original version
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12-26-2018, 11:36 AM | #20 |
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Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans
I believe you will find you'll need a rear sump pan for an F1. The center sump pan was used on cars with independent suspension and it will hit the front axle on a F1. I had a lot of rear seal problems with mine and removed the lower bracket years ago as it was a
nuisance to work around. Never missed it. |
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