Go Back   The Ford Barn > General Discussion > Early V8 (1932-53)

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-09-2021, 11:04 AM   #1
40larry
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northridge, CA
Posts: 198
Default 1940 Ford Convertible Wire Loom Routing

Can someone post a photo showing how Ford intended the original factory wire loom routing at front left body to frame mount. The convertible uses an " L" shaped bracket with hole for wire routing that is different than all other 1940 models. Thanks Larry
40larry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-2021, 11:16 PM   #2
deuce_roadster
Senior Member
 
deuce_roadster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Shelton, WA
Posts: 2,968
Default Re: 1940 Ford Convertible Wire Loom Routing

Hi Larry, I sure don't remember anything like that on my 40 convertible. Perhaps it is an early/late thing. Seems like Kube would have run into this. My car was a mid production year model. I was the first owner out of the family that bought it new. I sold it a few years ago and I did put all new stock wiring in it before it sold. The only odd "L" brackets I have seen on a 40 were on the front of the inner fender panel and I think were left over from 39s. Do you have a picture of the bracket and where and how it is located?
deuce_roadster is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 06-10-2021, 05:24 AM   #3
glennpm
Senior Member
 
glennpm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Wiscasset, Maine
Posts: 1,213
Default Re: 1940 Ford Convertible Wire Loom Routing

I don't recall a bracket like you've described either. Please post a picture of what you have.
glennpm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2021, 08:43 AM   #4
Kube
Senior Member
 
Kube's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posts: 7,131
Default Re: 1940 Ford Convertible Wire Loom Routing

Quote:
Originally Posted by 40larry View Post
Can someone post a photo showing how Ford intended the original factory wire loom routing at front left body to frame mount. The convertible uses an " L" shaped bracket with hole for wire routing that is different than all other 1940 models. Thanks Larry
I am guessing what you are describing as "L" shaped bracket" is the dash panel mount to the frame. Yes?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg P1040165.jpg (51.2 KB, 80 views)
__________________
"I can explain it for you. However, I can't understand it for you".
Kube is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2021, 11:21 AM   #5
40larry
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northridge, CA
Posts: 198
Default Re: 1940 Ford Convertible Wire Loom Routing

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kube View Post
I am guessing what you are describing as "L" shaped bracket" is the dash panel mount to the frame. Yes?

Mike:
Yes exactly. The left side bracket has a hole for wiring but clutch pedal gets close to the wire bundle. Do you have a photo with wiring all in place?
Larry
40larry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2021, 11:26 AM   #6
40larry
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northridge, CA
Posts: 198
Default Re: 1940 Ford Convertible Wire Loom Routing

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kube View Post
I am guessing what you are describing as "L" shaped bracket" is the dash panel mount to the frame. Yes?

Did all the convertible bodies use this bracket with the hole through it? My station wagon and all other models do not.
40larry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2021, 11:29 AM   #7
40larry
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northridge, CA
Posts: 198
Default Re: 1940 Ford Convertible Wire Loom Routing

Quote:
Originally Posted by deuce_roadster View Post
Hi Larry, I sure don't remember anything like that on my 40 convertible. Perhaps it is an early/late thing. Seems like Kube would have run into this. My car was a mid production year model. I was the first owner out of the family that bought it new. I sold it a few years ago and I did put all new stock wiring in it before it sold. The only odd "L" brackets I have seen on a 40 were on the front of the inner fender panel and I think were left over from 39s. Do you have a picture of the bracket and where and how it is located?

Mike's photo in posting no. 4 shows the brackets clearly. Now waiting to see how he routed the wires going to dimmer switch and taillights.
40larry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2021, 11:46 AM   #8
Kube
Senior Member
 
Kube's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posts: 7,131
Default Re: 1940 Ford Convertible Wire Loom Routing

I route the wires just like any of the coupes I've restored. There is, as you surely know, a small wire clamp that fastens to the frame and keeps the loom in place.
I have restored (5) '40 convertibles to date and as I recall three of them had that hole, two did not. The car I am currently restoring does not.
__________________
"I can explain it for you. However, I can't understand it for you".
Kube is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2021, 11:56 AM   #9
40larry
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northridge, CA
Posts: 198
Default Re: 1940 Ford Convertible Wire Loom Routing

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kube View Post
I route the wires just like any of the coupes I've restored. There is, as you surely know, a small wire clamp that fastens to the frame and keeps the loom in place.
I have restored (5) '40 convertibles to date and as I recall three of them had that hole, two did not. The car I am currently restoring does not.

Mike:

Thanks for your input. It can all be made to fit but when the loom goes through that hole it gets close to the clutch pedal. With this added bracket it is not possible to run the loom exactly as done on the other models.
Larry
40larry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2021, 03:53 PM   #10
Kube
Senior Member
 
Kube's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posts: 7,131
Default Re: 1940 Ford Convertible Wire Loom Routing

Quote:
Originally Posted by 40larry View Post
Mike:

Thanks for your input. It can all be made to fit but when the loom goes through that hole it gets close to the clutch pedal. With this added bracket it is not possible to run the loom exactly as done on the other models.
Larry
Well, yes, not exactly like other models but it works.

I tend to think Fords routing in that area was not of the best design - too much going on in a limited area.
Still, it works.

The few convertibles I'd taken apart that I was 99% certain had the authentic wiring did not travel through that hole.
__________________
"I can explain it for you. However, I can't understand it for you".
Kube is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2021, 10:41 PM   #11
deuce_roadster
Senior Member
 
deuce_roadster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Shelton, WA
Posts: 2,968
Default Re: 1940 Ford Convertible Wire Loom Routing

Looking at old pictures of my convertible, it did have the hole in that bracket.
Calling that an L bracket threw me off thinking it was smaller. I guess you did called it the LH cowl mount to the frame, I should have had a better idea. Interesting, some cars had the hole some did not. I now will have to look at my wagon. So many interesting things to learn here!
deuce_roadster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2021, 12:36 AM   #12
40larry
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northridge, CA
Posts: 198
Default Re: 1940 Ford Convertible Wire Loom Routing

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kube View Post
Well, yes, not exactly like other models but it works.

I tend to think Fords routing in that area was not of the best design - too much going on in a limited area.
Still, it works.

The few convertibles I'd taken apart that I was 99% certain had the authentic wiring did not travel through that hole.

That is a little surprising because avoiding the hole requires the wires to go around the inside of the bracket and will shorten the wire bundle length going back along the frame. I will figure out the best way after I get more of the car together. Thanks and if anyone has a photo of the wire routing in this area I would still like to see it........LARRY
40larry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2021, 06:06 PM   #13
JayChicago
Senior Member
 
JayChicago's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: Chicago
Posts: 286
Default Re: 1940 Ford Convertible Wire Loom Routing

Quote:
Originally Posted by 40larry View Post
That is a little surprising because avoiding the hole requires the wires to go around the inside of the bracket and will shorten the wire bundle length going back along the frame.
The connection point with the rear body loom is in the frame immediately aft of that dash panel mount to the frame. I think you will be ok as long as the front loom's branch-out wires for connection with the rear loom are just behind the dash panel mount.

Then there is another foot or so of the front loom that goes up to the headlight dimmer switch. That is what I found most tricky, to avoid conflict with the moving clutch pedal arm. As Kube said, Ford had too much going on here. But as he said, it does work.
JayChicago is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2021, 05:48 PM   #14
Kube
Senior Member
 
Kube's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posts: 7,131
Default Re: 1940 Ford Convertible Wire Loom Routing

I just went out and looked at the '40 convertible I am currently restoring. I had to look as the CRS is setting in. Anyway, NO hole in this one.
__________________
"I can explain it for you. However, I can't understand it for you".
Kube is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2021, 07:02 PM   #15
deuce_roadster
Senior Member
 
deuce_roadster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Shelton, WA
Posts: 2,968
Default Re: 1940 Ford Convertible Wire Loom Routing

Mike, is that car early, middle or late? How many snaps on the trim by the corner for the boot?
deuce_roadster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2021, 12:38 PM   #16
40larry
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northridge, CA
Posts: 198
Default Re: 1940 Ford Convertible Wire Loom Routing

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kube View Post
I just went out and looked at the '40 convertible I am currently restoring. I had to look as the CRS is setting in. Anyway, NO hole in this one.

Just to be clear when you say no hole you mean that the bracket with the hole is missing on both sides. Is this assumption correct?
40larry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2021, 01:17 PM   #17
Kube
Senior Member
 
Kube's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posts: 7,131
Default Re: 1940 Ford Convertible Wire Loom Routing

Quote:
Originally Posted by 40larry View Post
Just to be clear when you say no hole you mean that the bracket with the hole is missing on both sides. Is this assumption correct?
Brackets are there of course - they, as you know, mount the body to the frame. NO hole in either side.
__________________
"I can explain it for you. However, I can't understand it for you".
Kube is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2021, 11:20 AM   #18
40larry
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northridge, CA
Posts: 198
Default Re: 1940 Ford Convertible Wire Loom Routing

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kube View Post
Brackets are there of course - they, as you know, mount the body to the frame. NO hole in either side.

That is interesting. All the other 1940 Ford body styles (four to be exact) that I have here to examine do not have these brackets with or without holes. The body to frame connections are bolts along top of frame on each side behind firewall.
40larry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2021, 01:05 PM   #19
Kube
Senior Member
 
Kube's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posts: 7,131
Default Re: 1940 Ford Convertible Wire Loom Routing

Quote:
Originally Posted by 40larry View Post
That is interesting. All the other 1940 Ford body styles (four to be exact) that I have here to examine do not have these brackets with or without holes. The body to frame connections are bolts along top of frame on each side behind firewall.
Just for clarity... ALL convertibles had these brackets and were bolted to the frame in this area forward of the dash.
Why some brackets had a hole in the left side and others did not requires someone with information that I was not able to uncover.
__________________
"I can explain it for you. However, I can't understand it for you".
Kube is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2021, 06:32 PM   #20
40larry
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northridge, CA
Posts: 198
Default Re: 1940 Ford Convertible Wire Loom Routing

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kube View Post
Just for clarity... ALL convertibles had these brackets and were bolted to the frame in this area forward of the dash.
Why some brackets had a hole in the left side and others did not requires someone with information that I was not able to uncover.



OK. I believe we are in agreement and understanding each other, thanks............
40larry is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:36 AM.