When is Model A Car or Truck classified has Restored or Unrestored?

[sandollar]

Originally Posted by 700rpm

When someone asks me if my car is original, I say "yes" because I have put it back together with what are now available as original reproduction parts as well as truly original parts. If I'm asked if any of my cars are restored, I always say "no, they are refurbished" because that is a truer description in my mind. I think the terminology is colored by who's using the words. The average person would look at my sedan and say "nice restoration." Brent would look at my sedan and might say "nice car" but I am completely certain he would not consider it restored (nor do I).

Altogether it's a pretty subjective evaluation. That's why a car might get 377 points in one show and 415 points in another. Nothing is absolute.

I have heard that restored is like factory new and rebuilt is same as refurbished. Here is a link from Hemmings. But there may never be a consensus.
http://www.hemmings.com/hsx/stories/...feature31.html

[Rock Hornbuckle]

Semantics is a truly great description of the 'word jello' we try to nail to a tree. IMO when a new tire, a spark plug, new set of points, anything that is replaced, according to Webster, it is no longer "original", (but is still not restored?). I once heard that the 500 most commonly used words in the English language, have more than 5000 different meanings.

[Mike V. Florida]

Originally Posted by Fred

Ok, I have just the very car that fits into the original question that I am going to sell very soon.. It is the one pictured here, it has won the Best In Show Henry Award 1988, A master restoration award, & to this day only has 700 miles on it from then.. See the Cover of the Restorer May/June 1990 Vol.35 Issue #1 for story on car.. All interior, top & side curtain work done by Bill Sturm..Top has never been down, all is as day done..It was restored with ALL NOS fenders & running boards & many-many other NOS & Original restored parts...Still has the Original 3X plugs in it !!.. Oh, How many do you find today with an Original wiring Harness still being used ??..I dont think you could restore one today for what I will be asking for it... What class would you call this one in ??...

Yours is what I would call a true restored Model A.

[George Miller]

Restored is a way over used word. Most are refurbished. Restored is like Tom said like new, with out all those so called upgrades, and modern parts.

[Roadster Truck 1930]

O.K.
I'm Curious now, Whats a "class two" restoration...
In ten words or less...
Just kidding...

[George Miller]

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Well I have to go now. Got to get to the garage and finish restoring my 1930 model A pickup. You know the one with a flathead V8.

[Richard Wilson]

[QUOTE=BRENT in 10-uh-C;627532]Yes, ...sadly that is a very true statement.

What I guess makes this so controvercial is the "justifications" hobbyists give these days for making these modifications. I know that growing up, both of the Model A clubs used to have a mission statement that they were to promote the 1928-1931 Ford Model A as they were originally manufactured yet often times back then owners just didn't know any better when they restored their cars. Today, things are kinda different in that they call their Model-A restored yet knowingly have installed hydraulic brakes, overdrive transmissions, air conditioning, F100 steering boxes, 16" wheels, 12 volt electrical, alternators, etc. ...yet still feel they should have their Model-A accepted as a "restored" Model-A.

"installed hydraulic brakes, overdrive transmissions, air conditioning, F100 steering boxes, 16" wheels, 12 volt electrical, alternators, etc."

With all those modifications, you just described a STREET ROD.

[29ModelA]

Originally Posted by Richard Wilson

"installed hydraulic brakes, overdrive transmissions, air conditioning, F100 steering boxes, 16" wheels, 12 volt electrical, alternators, etc."
With all those modifications, you just described a STREET ROD.

Street rod would have much more then that, as a street rod typically would have an engine swap. Those mods would be more along the lines of the resto-mod category.

[BRENT in 10-uh-C]

Originally Posted by 29ModelA

Street rod would have much more then that, as a street rod typically would have an engine swap. Those mods would be more along the lines of the resto-mod category.

Not according to NSRA (National Street Rod Association) website (--of whom I would consider to be the authority) where they say;

.

By definition a street rod is: An automobile of 1948 or earlier manufacture which has undergone some type of modernization, to include any of the following; engine, transmission, interior refinements, and any other modifications the builder desires.


.

[Richard Wilson]

"Street Rod" is a broader term which would include the more finite term "resto mods". I'm heading over to Knoxville, TN the first week in May for the NSRA Street Rod Nationals South meet. Bet I see several "street rods/resto mods" registered that still have Model A engine blocks and the mods that Brent listed in his post. On the other hand, I go to a Model A national meet and see cars with the exact same modifications registered there. I think the only persons that really care are the DMV and the property tax man.