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Old 10-10-2019, 09:05 AM   #1
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Default '36 Cabriolet with an "18-F" prefix

Anyone ever heard of an 18-F prefix on the chassis number?


I happened to see one at: https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25824/lot/209/


Don't want to buy it, just curious about the chassis number.
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Old 10-10-2019, 09:10 AM   #2
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F denotes right hand drive.
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Old 10-10-2019, 09:24 AM   #3
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Default Re: '36 Cabriolet with an "18-F" prefix

Thanks, good to know. Silly me, I would have used an R instead of an F for Right Hand Drive.
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Thanks, good to know. Silly me, I would have used an R instead of an F for Right Hand Drive.
How about this, F is for foreign which have right hand drive.

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Old 10-10-2019, 10:23 AM   #5
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Looking forward to hearing from someone with a known "Foreign" left hand drive car to know what that chassis number looks like.
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Old 10-10-2019, 01:42 PM   #6
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Looking forward to hearing from someone with a known "Foreign" left hand drive car to know what that chassis number looks like.
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Mart, lives in England and he gave you the answer on the F. What more do you need to know?
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Old 10-10-2019, 01:51 PM   #7
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Just wondering if "F" is for Right Hand Drive or for "Foreign" Hearing from someone in a Left Hand Drive country with a car known to be original to that country would be appreciated.
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I find Steve's question to be reasonable.
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Old 10-10-2019, 05:32 PM   #9
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STEVE's question makes perfectly good sense. I'd like to know that answer, too. I'd bet that "DavidG" knows the definitive answer. DD
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Old 10-10-2019, 05:53 PM   #10
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I've had a raft of RHD period Fords and the only difference in the numbers stamped on the frames and transmission cases is the addition of the F to the prefix. The engine numbers themselves are in the same sequence of numbers as the LHD vehicles. In other words, the only difference is in the prefix and the equipment on the powertrain unique to either LHD or RHD. The same applies to Canadian-sourced engines.
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Default Re: '36 Cabriolet with an "18-F" prefix

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How about this, F is for foreign which have right hand drive.

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Gosh, I hope this is sarcasm.
What if the car was built in England for it's domestic consumption? Would it still be "F" for foreign? Methinks not.
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I've had a raft of RHD period Fords and the only difference in the numbers stamped on the frames and transmission cases is the addition of the F to the prefix. The engine numbers themselves are in the same sequence of numbers as the LHD vehicles. In other words, the only difference is in the prefix and the equipment on the powertrain unique to either LHD or RHD. The same applies to Canadian-sourced engines.

David...Just to clear this up....would a LEFT-hand drive car built in a foreign country have the "F" in the serial #? I know that we Yanks ain't the only country on the planet with LEFT-hand drive. DD
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Old 10-11-2019, 12:31 AM   #13
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Default Re: '36 Cabriolet with an "18-F" prefix

DD, Not in France.Here is the Vin tag of a 4cyl and of a V8 '32 French production.
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Default Re: '36 Cabriolet with an "18-F" prefix

Not in Germany either. Not in 1932 or on our 1935
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So "F" does not at all mean "foreign"
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Default Re: '36 Cabriolet with an "18-F" prefix

I don't know if anyone does actually know why Ford chose the letter F, or what it meant to them or stood for in Ford speak at the time.
My 21stud motor which came from a RHD car has an F in the number. And yes, the number is stamped on the engine, as it was a requirement here.
I don't know if F stands for Foreign or not, but it's an easy enough way to remember the F denotes a spec that is not USA homegrown. (LHD).
I read it somewhere, and believe it, that F simply denotes RHD.

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Default Re: '36 Cabriolet with an "18-F" prefix

Do the Australian chassis number, being RHD, have the "F" in them?

Interesting to see data plates from around the world. Would be fun to see others as well.

Thanks everyone.
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Old 10-11-2019, 01:32 PM   #18
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Default Re: '36 Cabriolet with an "18-F" prefix

The 'F' denotes RHD, and is carried over in part numbers pertaining to RHD,
eg #21AF 3106 Spindle LH RHD pass 42-48.
Most specific parts for RHD, [steering, brake pedals etc], have the F in the part number to differentiate from regular left hook components
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Old 10-11-2019, 02:39 PM   #19
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Thanks, Facts are wonderful!
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Old 10-11-2019, 06:45 PM   #20
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Mike,

Period VIN (engine/transmission numbers) were prefixed with the F for use in RHD chassis regardless of where the engine was manufactured (Dearborn, Walkerville, Ont., or Dagenham, U.K.) or where the engine was installed in a chassis, be it in Argentina, Australia, Japan, etc.

I think that part of the confusion on this subject arises from the evidently little known fact that both Ford U.S. and Ford of Canada built and exported RHD vehicles, not just Ford companies located in RHD countries. For example, of the twenty or so RHD period Fords that I have owned over the years all were manufactured in the U.S. and exported to RHD countries either in kit or built-up form.

As Brian indicates, if you look at a period parts catalogue from say Australia or the United Kingdom, its listing are a mixture of part numbers with and without the ending F in the part number prefix as the majority of parts on any given vehicle will be common to both LHD and RHD applications.
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Default Re: '36 Cabriolet with an "18-F" prefix

This is a can of worms. My RHD '35 Model 60 (yes, it's a V8-60) is chassis 54-738. I have no idea if my coupe was US, Canadian or Dagenham built.

The Model A in the UK was sold with a small 2 litre engine, because of our taxation system, so that was an AF. If you had a truck it was an AA if it had the 'proper' big engine, but an AAF with the small engine. The 32 Car (Model 18) was sold with a B version of the small engine as ABF, and continued into 1934. Basically the F seems to indicate stuff unique to non-US markets.
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Default Re: '36 Cabriolet with an "18-F" prefix

The car in question that began this thread is more interesting than the F question!

Final selling price of US$59619 for a car built as a driver without consideration of incorrect items if presented on a V8 Club Concourse:

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25824/lot/209/
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Default Re: '36 Cabriolet with an "18-F" prefix

You can count the RHD 36 cabriolets in the UK on the fingers of one hand. On the same hand you can count the people in the UK who could recognise an authentic 36, and they probably wouldn't buy at Bonham's. My guess is the buyer just saw a stylish drophead that looked fun to drive, and it cost less than his daily driver, so why not buy a toy? There are people out there who get 500k annual bonuses, they are driving the price inflation, mainly on the exotics.

If the buyer is actually a V8 guy and reads Fordbarn, I apologise and withdraw the above. :-)
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Default Re: '36 Cabriolet with an "18-F" prefix

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Do the Australian chassis number, being RHD, have the "F" in them?

Interesting to see data plates from around the world. Would be fun to see others as well.

Thanks everyone.
I agree.....seeing the data plates from other countries is very interesting !!!!......
Great stuff.....thanks......Mark
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This is a can of worms. My RHD '35 Model 60 (yes, it's a V8-60) is chassis 54-738. I have no idea if my coupe was US, Canadian or Dagenham built.

The Model A in the UK was sold with a small 2 litre engine, because of our taxation system, so that was an AF. If you had a truck it was an AA if it had the 'proper' big engine, but an AAF with the small engine. The 32 Car (Model 18) was sold with a B version of the small engine as ABF, and continued into 1934. Basically the F seems to indicate stuff unique to non-US markets.
The 54 prefix was also used on US cars with the V-8 60. Interesting that you have a "60" car that is prior to 1937 when the first "60"s appeared in the US.
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The 54 prefix was also used on US cars with the V-8 60. Interesting that you have a "60" car that is prior to 1937 when the first "60"s appeared in the US.
The first V8 60 was developed in Detroit in '34, released 1935 & sent to Britain & Europe to deal with h.p. taxes there but they were underpowered for the Nth American based vehicles. Ford Britain released the Model 62 V8 60 car for 1936, 108"chassis & the engine design was changed [porting & mains I think] & this was better suited to the smaller European models, also used in France by Matford & Ford Germany up to 1939. This was the same type v8 60 engine released by Ford US for 1937. Cheers
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