The Ford Barn

Steve Plucker · 08-07-2013, 09:18 AM

Is anyone collecting the FORD tools that were supplied by FORD to work on the Model A/AA vehicles?

And I am not talking about those that were furnished with each Model A and AA as it came off the asembly line.

These tools would have the following designations on them "5-Z-XXXX" (X ='s numbers).

Most of these are spelled out in the FORD Service Bulletins and Service Letters.

Thanks.

Pluck

Rowdy · 08-07-2013, 09:25 AM

I have afew of them. It is worth pointing out my 1929 KRW cabinet has designated places for the 5Z tools. Rod

Mark W. · 08-07-2013, 11:28 AM

I picked up a 5-Z-1900 wrench this past weekend which I think is to remove the front crank pulley bolt/ratchet on the A, but mostly I have a pile of the T era Z tools as that is where I started - in T's that is - the A is still new territory. Not sure how many continued into the A years from the T but I'm sure a few did.

Was it you that was looking for an auto lift last winter? I looked at mine once the snow melted - it is a Weaver lift 4-post cable drive unit which I doubt was what you were looking for.

Rowdy · 08-07-2013, 11:55 AM

Mark, if you decide to trade any tools I have some duplicates in my 5z Model T tools and I see no need for having more than one of each. A lot more interested in the Model A 5z tools than those for the T. I do not think there were any carryovers from the T era to the A . If there was I would think it would be noted in the Model A Service Bulletins. Rod

Doug Clayton · 08-07-2013, 01:53 PM

I think I have all but two of the tools.

Purdy Swoft · 08-07-2013, 04:53 PM

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Not that I'm ah needing one, but how hard to find is the 5 Z 1832 cam nut wrench and how much do they usually go for ? Gary in MN pictured one the other day on the cam nut thread. I started looking at some of my old tools yesterday. I've got a box of tools in another building i've got to check. Too hot here to do much .

Doug Clayton · 08-07-2013, 05:59 PM

I have seen the cam nut wrench on ebay two or three times a year. I think they sold in the $60 - $100 range.

Purdy Swoft · 08-07-2013, 09:03 PM

Thanks, Doug. I kinda figured they would be expensive. Its good to have a ball park figure of value. I may find one.

KR500 · 08-07-2013, 10:33 PM

Many tools do not carry the 5Z prefix and can be for A or T 24Z preifix is generally for a gage of some sort for setting or checking. Bruce McCalleys Ford T book has a good listing of tools in the back with many of the Z tools which were superceded or changed. Knowing the shapes or sizes of Z tools is important as many of the numbers can be difficult to read if rusty or greasy.

Chris Haynes · 08-08-2013, 11:26 AM

Were the tools painted or Parkerized?

larrys40 · 08-08-2013, 01:12 PM

Steve,
I collect the specialty and service tools as well as the KR Wilson tools.... in the back of the July '31 parts price list there is a list of about 20 tools or so that were specialty. Included in these are the handiest and most useful... the cam nut wrench, the crank nut wrench, the gas gauge set, both inner and outer, and of course the pinion nut wrenches. Most of the others are speed handle types, and other more common specialty wrenches that common sockets will duplicate. I've not tried too hard to collect them as their use and value isn't there... I'd rather put it to the KRW collection. I'm down to just a couple I don't have.... some are very useful, many are wall hangers. I have about 250 + pieces between "A" and V8. Last year I picked up an original Duby alignment gauge. It is awesome!

The original Model A I believe were all the 5Z designations..... Values on the ones I listed above typically go for $60-$100 ish as sated above. Looking at the 5 or 6 1832 wrenches I have now there are some size variations in them..... and they were factory... not modified later as you can tell from the cut marks...

I am going to have a service tool seminar at the Marc membership national next April in St. Louis. I would love some input and help from folks. If you're coming bring your tools! You guys area great knowledge base...

Thanks,
Larry Shepard
St. Charles, MO

Purdy Swoft · 08-08-2013, 03:47 PM

It would be interesting to see a picture of the crank nut tool. I sometimes find old tools at trade days events. It would be good to know what the tool looks like.

Steve Plucker · 08-08-2013, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purdy Swoft

It would be interesting to see a picture of the crank nut tool. I sometimes find old tools at trade days events. It would be good to know what the tool looks like.

IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE WHAT THEY ALL LOOK LIKE!

Pluck

Gary in MN · 08-09-2013, 09:44 PM

Here is a picture of 5 Z 1900 crank nut tool. Just to be clear Model A tools may have a 5 Z prefix but many Model T tools had the same prefix.

z tool 001 (Medium).jpg

z tool 002 (Medium).jpg

Chris Haynes · 08-10-2013, 12:59 AM

So back to my question. Were these tools painted or Parkerized. This wrench looks to be Parkerized.

Attachment 140983

Attachment 140984[/QUOTE]

Rowdy · 08-10-2013, 08:36 AM

Likely most were Japan Black. My pinion nut wrench appeared to be. That is the only one I have so far. One of my 3z T wrenches was Machine Grey. Rod

Ken Ehrenhofer · 08-10-2013, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rowdy

I have afew of them. It is worth pointing out my 1929 KRW cabinet has designated places for the 5Z tools. Rod

I might be able to help you out on the 130A wood please contact me,
Ken 630-697-3906

Purdy Swoft · 08-10-2013, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary in MN

Here is a picture of 5 Z 1900 crank nut tool. Just to be clear Model A tools may have a 5 Z prefix but many Model T tools had the same prefix.

Attachment 140983

Attachment 140984

Thanks Gary for the picture, It is very helpfull. Who knows what old tools some may have and not even know what they've got.

08-07-2013, 09:18 AM	#1
Steve Plucker BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Walla Walla, Washington USA Posts: 6,066	Model A and AA Tool Equipment... Is anyone collecting the FORD tools that were supplied by FORD to work on the Model A/AA vehicles? And I am not talking about those that were furnished with each Model A and AA as it came off the asembly line. These tools would have the following designations on them "5-Z-XXXX" (X ='s numbers). Most of these are spelled out in the FORD Service Bulletins and Service Letters. Thanks. Pluck

08-07-2013, 09:25 AM	#2
Rowdy BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gothenburg Nebraska Just off I-80 Posts: 4,893	Re: Model A and AA Tool Equipment... I have afew of them. It is worth pointing out my 1929 KRW cabinet has designated places for the 5Z tools. Rod __________________ Do the RIGHT thing - Support the H.A.M.B. Alliance!!!!

08-07-2013, 11:28 AM	#3
Mark W. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Maine Posts: 342	Re: Model A and AA Tool Equipment... I picked up a 5-Z-1900 wrench this past weekend which I think is to remove the front crank pulley bolt/ratchet on the A, but mostly I have a pile of the T era Z tools as that is where I started - in T's that is - the A is still new territory. Not sure how many continued into the A years from the T but I'm sure a few did. Was it you that was looking for an auto lift last winter? I looked at mine once the snow melted - it is a Weaver lift 4-post cable drive unit which I doubt was what you were looking for.

08-07-2013, 11:55 AM	#4
Rowdy BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gothenburg Nebraska Just off I-80 Posts: 4,893	Re: Model A and AA Tool Equipment... Mark, if you decide to trade any tools I have some duplicates in my 5z Model T tools and I see no need for having more than one of each. A lot more interested in the Model A 5z tools than those for the T. I do not think there were any carryovers from the T era to the A . If there was I would think it would be noted in the Model A Service Bulletins. Rod __________________ Do the RIGHT thing - Support the H.A.M.B. Alliance!!!!

08-07-2013, 01:53 PM	#5
Doug Clayton Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 132	Re: Model A and AA Tool Equipment... I think I have all but two of the tools.

08-07-2013, 04:53 PM	#6
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: Model A and AA Tool Equipment... Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Not that I'm ah needing one, but how hard to find is the 5 Z 1832 cam nut wrench and how much do they usually go for ? Gary in MN pictured one the other day on the cam nut thread. I started looking at some of my old tools yesterday. I've got a box of tools in another building i've got to check. Too hot here to do much .

08-07-2013, 05:59 PM	#7
Doug Clayton Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 132	Re: Model A and AA Tool Equipment... I have seen the cam nut wrench on ebay two or three times a year. I think they sold in the $60 - $100 range.

08-07-2013, 09:03 PM	#8
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: Model A and AA Tool Equipment... Thanks, Doug. I kinda figured they would be expensive. Its good to have a ball park figure of value. I may find one.

08-07-2013, 10:33 PM	#9
KR500 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Addison,ll. Posts: 453	Re: Model A and AA Tool Equipment... Many tools do not carry the 5Z prefix and can be for A or T 24Z preifix is generally for a gage of some sort for setting or checking. Bruce McCalleys Ford T book has a good listing of tools in the back with many of the Z tools which were superceded or changed. Knowing the shapes or sizes of Z tools is important as many of the numbers can be difficult to read if rusty or greasy.

08-08-2013, 11:26 AM	#10
Chris Haynes Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Camarillo, CA and Pine Grove, CA Posts: 2,832	Re: Model A and AA Tool Equipment... Were the tools painted or Parkerized? __________________ 1921 Runabout 1930 Tudor Early 1930 AA Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?

08-08-2013, 01:12 PM	#11
larrys40 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: St Charles , Missouri Posts: 1,998	Re: Model A and AA Tool Equipment... Steve, I collect the specialty and service tools as well as the KR Wilson tools.... in the back of the July '31 parts price list there is a list of about 20 tools or so that were specialty. Included in these are the handiest and most useful... the cam nut wrench, the crank nut wrench, the gas gauge set, both inner and outer, and of course the pinion nut wrenches. Most of the others are speed handle types, and other more common specialty wrenches that common sockets will duplicate. I've not tried too hard to collect them as their use and value isn't there... I'd rather put it to the KRW collection. I'm down to just a couple I don't have.... some are very useful, many are wall hangers. I have about 250 + pieces between "A" and V8. Last year I picked up an original Duby alignment gauge. It is awesome! The original Model A I believe were all the 5Z designations..... Values on the ones I listed above typically go for $60-$100 ish as sated above. Looking at the 5 or 6 1832 wrenches I have now there are some size variations in them..... and they were factory... not modified later as you can tell from the cut marks... I am going to have a service tool seminar at the Marc membership national next April in St. Louis. I would love some input and help from folks. If you're coming bring your tools! You guys area great knowledge base... Thanks, Larry Shepard St. Charles, MO

08-08-2013, 03:47 PM	#12
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: Model A and AA Tool Equipment... It would be interesting to see a picture of the crank nut tool. I sometimes find old tools at trade days events. It would be good to know what the tool looks like.

08-09-2013, 09:44 PM	#14
Gary in MN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 192	Re: Model A and AA Tool Equipment... Here is a picture of 5 Z 1900 crank nut tool. Just to be clear Model A tools may have a 5 Z prefix but many Model T tools had the same prefix. z tool 001 (Medium).jpg z tool 002 (Medium).jpg

08-10-2013, 12:59 AM	#15
Chris Haynes Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Camarillo, CA and Pine Grove, CA Posts: 2,832	Re: Model A and AA Tool Equipment... So back to my question. Were these tools painted or Parkerized. This wrench looks to be Parkerized. Attachment 140983 Attachment 140984[/QUOTE] __________________ 1921 Runabout 1930 Tudor Early 1930 AA Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?

08-10-2013, 08:36 AM	#16
Rowdy BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gothenburg Nebraska Just off I-80 Posts: 4,893	Re: Model A and AA Tool Equipment... Likely most were Japan Black. My pinion nut wrench appeared to be. That is the only one I have so far. One of my 3z T wrenches was Machine Grey. Rod __________________ Do the RIGHT thing - Support the H.A.M.B. Alliance!!!!