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fritzz13 · 08-08-2013, 07:52 PM

today was the first time I have taken' my 28 model a for a drive and enjoyed every minute of it,but I had noticed while shifting through the gears second was very noisey,is that normal.

QGolden · 08-08-2013, 08:12 PM

Congratulations on the ride!

Can you define "noisy"? Grinding, clattering, whining, clicking,? And when, while shifting, climbing, coasting, under throttle, off throttle?

Russ B · 08-08-2013, 08:23 PM

Whenever I get any new (old) car on the road, I notice all sorts of strange sounds. Unless it is a really scary tearing apart type sound I will usually keep on driving it and keep paying attention to it until I have more of a mental feeling as to what is going on. It can take weeks or even months to figure some noises out or for me to just get used to it and stop noticing the noise. If I am concerned about active damage associated with the sound, I take it to my mechanic for a second opinion. ...and as a general rule, when I am ready to start a newly built car I have it flat bed towed to my mechanic for a safety check before I start it. He is mostly a new car guy but I trust him and he is happy to work on my old stuff as needed. If I was a club guy, I would likely ask a fellow club member to check out such things.

fritzz13 · 08-08-2013, 08:24 PM

everything seems fine,first gear feels good no noise,shift to second very noisey sorta grinding sound,shift into 3rd all is good,runs great.

QGolden · 08-08-2013, 08:27 PM

Noise after it gets into gear, and the clutch is out, or while you are getting into 2nd gear?

Russ B · 08-08-2013, 08:28 PM

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are you double clutching going into second? ...does the grinding noise continue after getting into second gear?

fritzz13 · 08-08-2013, 08:41 PM

yes I do double clutch,but the noise is only after I am in second gear while driving.

fritzz13 · 08-08-2013, 09:17 PM

yes russb,it continues after in second gear.

QGolden · 08-08-2013, 10:58 PM

Did you take it apart or is it an "original" tranny with an unknown past? If it is original, I would run it for a while and monitor it. Ride in a few others and see you can hear a similiar noise, or take an A owner or two out for a ride and have them listen.

Tudortomnz · 08-09-2013, 02:30 AM

2nd gear has a more noticeable ''whine'' to it. You would notice it if never driven an A before.
Check out someones Model A for comparison. I think you may find it is nothing to worry about.

colin1928 · 08-09-2013, 04:23 AM

Change the oil put 600w in it
many have modern oil and really whine

Mitch//pa · 08-09-2013, 06:31 AM

you failed to mention if you serviced it with the proper fluid. make sure you do the diff also

[email protected] · 08-09-2013, 07:39 AM

Back in the day lots of women used second gear as their automatic transmission. They would start off in second and leave it in second for around town driving. This wore out the second gear well before the others.

I heard this from two separate old timers back some 30 years ago and it does make some sense.

Ron/IA · 08-09-2013, 08:51 AM

My second gear has a "whine" when in that gear, and it does when under under load. I have been monitoring it for 40+ years, and it has not changed. I have been in others cars, and the same "whine" is sometimes in theirs too. I have come to not worry about it.

You mentioned it was a "sorta grinding sound"; that sound you may want to monitor very closely, and as mentioned above, have others listen.

You can lift the floor boards and take off the shifting tower to get a better look. While you can't see everything; it would be a start, and you may get lucky and see something.

Good luck,
Ron/IA

fritzz13 · 08-09-2013, 05:43 PM

when I first got the car it has been sitting for a couple of years.i got it running after a few days,drained all the fluids,the tranny had dirty gear oil but no signs of anything in the oil,i will drop the oil again and check,maybe its just me this is my first model "A" and not use to all the normal noises,thanks for all the help guys.plan on going for another ride this weekend I will keep you posted.

08-08-2013, 07:52 PM	#1
fritzz13 Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: canada Posts: 73	first ride today was the first time I have taken' my 28 model a for a drive and enjoyed every minute of it,but I had noticed while shifting through the gears second was very noisey,is that normal.

08-08-2013, 08:12 PM	#2
QGolden Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Alton, NH Posts: 1,231	Re: first ride Congratulations on the ride! Can you define "noisy"? Grinding, clattering, whining, clicking,? And when, while shifting, climbing, coasting, under throttle, off throttle? __________________ It's not what people think they know that will hurt them, it is what they think they know that aint so! -Mark Twain. It is the very things that we think we know, that keep us from learning what we should know.- Unknown

08-08-2013, 08:23 PM	#3
Russ B Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Millbrae, CA Posts: 504	Re: first ride Whenever I get any new (old) car on the road, I notice all sorts of strange sounds. Unless it is a really scary tearing apart type sound I will usually keep on driving it and keep paying attention to it until I have more of a mental feeling as to what is going on. It can take weeks or even months to figure some noises out or for me to just get used to it and stop noticing the noise. If I am concerned about active damage associated with the sound, I take it to my mechanic for a second opinion. ...and as a general rule, when I am ready to start a newly built car I have it flat bed towed to my mechanic for a safety check before I start it. He is mostly a new car guy but I trust him and he is happy to work on my old stuff as needed. If I was a club guy, I would likely ask a fellow club member to check out such things.

08-08-2013, 08:24 PM	#4
fritzz13 Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: canada Posts: 73	Re: first ride everything seems fine,first gear feels good no noise,shift to second very noisey sorta grinding sound,shift into 3rd all is good,runs great.

08-08-2013, 08:27 PM	#5
QGolden Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Alton, NH Posts: 1,231	Re: first ride Noise after it gets into gear, and the clutch is out, or while you are getting into 2nd gear? __________________ It's not what people think they know that will hurt them, it is what they think they know that aint so! -Mark Twain. It is the very things that we think we know, that keep us from learning what we should know.- Unknown

08-08-2013, 08:28 PM	#6
Russ B Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Millbrae, CA Posts: 504	Re: first ride Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) are you double clutching going into second? ...does the grinding noise continue after getting into second gear?

08-08-2013, 08:41 PM	#7
fritzz13 Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: canada Posts: 73	Re: first ride yes I do double clutch,but the noise is only after I am in second gear while driving.

08-08-2013, 09:17 PM	#8
fritzz13 Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: canada Posts: 73	Re: first ride yes russb,it continues after in second gear.

08-08-2013, 10:58 PM	#9
QGolden Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Alton, NH Posts: 1,231	Re: first ride Did you take it apart or is it an "original" tranny with an unknown past? If it is original, I would run it for a while and monitor it. Ride in a few others and see you can hear a similiar noise, or take an A owner or two out for a ride and have them listen. __________________ It's not what people think they know that will hurt them, it is what they think they know that aint so! -Mark Twain. It is the very things that we think we know, that keep us from learning what we should know.- Unknown

08-09-2013, 02:30 AM	#10
Tudortomnz Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Canterbury, New Zealand Posts: 1,242	Re: first ride 2nd gear has a more noticeable ''whine'' to it. You would notice it if never driven an A before. Check out someones Model A for comparison. I think you may find it is nothing to worry about.

08-09-2013, 04:23 AM	#11
colin1928 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Australa Melbourne Posts: 878	Re: first ride Change the oil put 600w in it many have modern oil and really whine

08-09-2013, 06:31 AM	#12
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: first ride you failed to mention if you serviced it with the proper fluid. make sure you do the diff also

08-09-2013, 07:39 AM	#13
[email protected] Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 730	Re: first ride Back in the day lots of women used second gear as their automatic transmission. They would start off in second and leave it in second for around town driving. This wore out the second gear well before the others. I heard this from two separate old timers back some 30 years ago and it does make some sense.

08-09-2013, 08:51 AM	#14
Ron/IA Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Amana IA Posts: 527	Re: first ride My second gear has a "whine" when in that gear, and it does when under under load. I have been monitoring it for 40+ years, and it has not changed. I have been in others cars, and the same "whine" is sometimes in theirs too. I have come to not worry about it. You mentioned it was a "sorta grinding sound"; that sound you may want to monitor very closely, and as mentioned above, have others listen. You can lift the floor boards and take off the shifting tower to get a better look. While you can't see everything; it would be a start, and you may get lucky and see something. Good luck, Ron/IA __________________ Ron/IA 1929 Fordor Steelback Hawk A Model A Ford Club http://hawkamodelaclub.org/

08-09-2013, 05:43 PM	#15
fritzz13 Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: canada Posts: 73	Re: first ride when I first got the car it has been sitting for a couple of years.i got it running after a few days,drained all the fluids,the tranny had dirty gear oil but no signs of anything in the oil,i will drop the oil again and check,maybe its just me this is my first model "A" and not use to all the normal noises,thanks for all the help guys.plan on going for another ride this weekend I will keep you posted.