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BouncinBetty · 10-29-2015, 02:28 PM

I have replaced switch panel that was full of holes and am having trouble finding what are the correct switches and there position as all the photos on the web are different modified ect...

I am trying to finish truck as close to original spec as possible bearing in mind this a ex military truck, I am not sure if my light switch is correct or not.

Only thing I am sure of is choke and throttle position.

Any ideas

jimTN · 10-29-2015, 04:08 PM

If the truck has blackout lights it will have a milstd lightswitch. If not, it will have a std Ford switch on the left hand side of the inst. panel if my memory serves me correct.

BouncinBetty · 10-30-2015, 04:44 AM

I did wonder even though light switch looks out of place being military it could be correct.

Thanks.

Bruce Lancaster · 10-30-2015, 10:35 AM

I have a variety of manuals that might help...I have the Australian driver's manual supplement covering the Marmon-Herrington parts on a Ford truck, the truck being an artillery tractor based on the mostly civilian type 1940-ish Ford and not the special pattern Canadian sort. I have the generic military driver's manual for Fords built for service in all the Imperial armies. I'll try to see what there is on the light switch especially...these were early WWII military trucks based on normal Ford vehicles, and I would assume that many or all were equipped as tactical vehicles.

BouncinBetty · 11-01-2015, 02:06 PM

Thanks for that , any info is a help.

BouncinBetty · 11-04-2015, 02:17 PM

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Got another one . Where does panel lamp switch go , any ideas.

Bruce Lancaster · 11-04-2015, 02:57 PM

Will find out. Have not had time to read! I have the manual for Ford RHD trucks supplied to commonwealth militaries and a supplemental Australian manual covering the MH conversion and some body mods, namely roadster style top and a special bed fo the role of artillery tractor.
All of this is based on the normal RHD Ford truck, basically a 1940 civilian truck with minor mods, not the specialized CMP type vehicles.

BouncinBetty · 11-05-2015, 07:35 AM

You seem to know your stuff. I have only found US markings under paint, any ideas how the truck got here.

Know one seems to know , I am the poor relation ,all the enthusiast over here want Dodges, GMC , Jeeps etc...........

It's got to be a V8 for me everytime.

Barry-ct · 11-05-2015, 10:26 AM

Being in the UK, it probably was used on an USAAF base for generic duties. If it had blackout lighting, then it is the same switch as a Jeep or WC Dodge or even a GMC. Try to find a military manual for that truck. I restored WWII vehicles and found many of the GI electrical items such as gauges, switches , regulators, etc... were common items.
The light switch was a push -pull type with a button on the side you had to push in to move to different positions.
What does the dash panel look like? does it have normal civilian gauges, or the round military speedo and gauges? It may have had a military add on kit to add just the military B.O. ighting.

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Bruce Lancaster · 11-05-2015, 01:26 PM

Yours is LHD, I just realized. Canada manual I mentioned is for LHD, though I am sure they supplied many in RHD and this may just be a picture retained from the basic prewar manual. Your panel is normal civilian Ford with repairs.
US markings are interesting here...our military used many Ford trucks of the basic civilian model, but I think all were 2WD and not used as tactical vehicles. MANY of these civilian pattern Fords (Canadian sourced) were used by all the commonwealth armies as tactical vehicles with the MH conversion...some were even built into armored cars. I'm talking civilian pattern here, not the Canadian special pattern trucks also used
with 4WD and the funny cabover bodies.
SO...does the serial # of your truck begin wit a C, C18 or C99, which would make it Canadian or without the C, 18 or 99, making it a USA truck? I assumed commonwealth build because of the Marmon Herington, but don't know if I'm correct!

BouncinBetty · 11-06-2015, 03:40 PM

It did have a military switch with button on the side but the rest of the switches warning lamps and wiring was modern and looked recent with just bits of the main harness left , the instrument panel was a lash up with only temp gauge working and this was a capillary type , upon removal the opening looked like it had been carved out with a bread knife I had to put a lot of metal back to replace the rot and poor previous repairs , I got a replacement gauge set off ebay.
I have a letter from the Military Vehicle Club GB verifying the date of manufacture as 1942 by Chassis No KMM5-4 525390 but that's it.
The truck has had lots of owners before me including a dealer and a council in Scotland as a Snow plough this is reflected in the poor quality of previuos repairs and the rot .
Hope the pics give you a flavour.

The first 2 show the set up when I got the truck then the work I have done ,what it does not show is the rot and amount of body filler I have removed.

The brass plate is from above the Pass seat and there is a aluminium panel with the gear shift positions.

Does the number hear make any sense to you Guys ?

Bruce Lancaster · 11-06-2015, 04:05 PM

The truck could have a military assigned number on its plate AND a Ford number stamped on bellhousing and RF frame.

Also, 525390 COULD be the main part of a Ford serial if truck was built with 239 engine.
99A-525390 would be in the range of 239 Fords built during WWII.
Dr. VanPelt's site: http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/f...ialnumbers.htm lists Ford civilian serials, and you will note that this number is in the set of "missing" engines built after start of 1942 and resumption of civilian production in '46 model year.
Examine your forward frame rail and crossmember area and the top of the transmission bellhousing and see if you can find Ford's number.

BouncinBetty · 11-07-2015, 12:23 PM

Will get on that , you may be surprised to hear I have never checked up for a number on the frame ,but then I did not know where to look .

I do like the archaeology part of the job.

JSeery · 11-07-2015, 12:28 PM

They can be a challenge to find!

Snouts out · 11-09-2015, 07:27 PM

Is a key used in the ignition?No key ignition is military. The military gage insert looks like it is well fitted.A more detailed photo,would be nice.

BouncinBetty · 11-11-2015, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Lancaster

The truck could have a military assigned number on its plate AND a Ford number stamped on bellhousing and RF frame.

Also, 525390 COULD be the main part of a Ford serial if truck was built with 239 engine.
99A-525390 would be in the range of 239 Fords built during WWII.
Dr. VanPelt's site: http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/f...ialnumbers.htm lists Ford civilian serials, and you will note that this number is in the set of "missing" engines built after start of 1942 and resumption of civilian production in '46 model year.
Examine your forward frame rail and crossmember area and the top of the transmission bellhousing and see if you can find Ford's number.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snouts out

Is a key used in the ignition?No key ignition is military. The military gage insert looks like it is well fitted.A more detailed photo,would be nice.

No key to start just on off switch . The dash insert was a very poorly made from tin and pop rivets gauges were a mixture some French and not wired up I think its sole purpose to fill up the hole .

Checked for numbers today and found *99t-525 390 * on bell housing and this number also on the frame rail near to steering box I am glad they match the plate. I found another number on top of engine block on drivers side seams to be R 11 44 560 P with a arrow pointing to a x please see photo's but this is a poor stamp so the first two figures could be wrong.

Does this mean anything to you.

Bruce Lancaster · 11-11-2015, 02:38 PM

Ok, forget the Canadian manuals...your truck was born in the USA! It's a wartime 239 truck with engine built at the Rouge.
As a flying guess, the R number is some sort of rebuilder's stamp from 1944. Most USA engines are not serialed, as the stamp on the trans covered the powertrain and became the chassis number at assembly.

BouncinBetty · 11-11-2015, 03:01 PM

I am so glad she is what I thought she was.

you've made my day.

Bruce Lancaster · 11-11-2015, 04:33 PM

What puzzled me was the 4WD conversion...Commonwealth armies, especially early in the war, used a lot of basically civilian Ford trucks and some special vehicles based on that chassis with the Marmon Herrington conversion as tactical vehicles. These were heavily supplemented as the war developed by more specialized Canadian CMP type Ford that bore little outward resemblance to normal '42 Fords. Civilian based Fords in USA army seem to have been mostly used as non-tactical vehicles not needing 4WD, with trucks used farther forward being almost entirely specialized military vehicles.

10-29-2015, 04:08 PM	#2
jimTN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Powell, TN Posts: 2,509	Re: 1942 1 1/2 Ton Marmon Herrington. Switches If the truck has blackout lights it will have a milstd lightswitch. If not, it will have a std Ford switch on the left hand side of the inst. panel if my memory serves me correct.

10-30-2015, 04:44 AM	#3
BouncinBetty Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Powys, Wales Posts: 61	Re: 1942 1 1/2 Ton Marmon Herrington. Switches I did wonder even though light switch looks out of place being military it could be correct. Thanks.

10-30-2015, 10:35 AM	#4
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: 1942 1 1/2 Ton Marmon Herrington. Switches I have a variety of manuals that might help...I have the Australian driver's manual supplement covering the Marmon-Herrington parts on a Ford truck, the truck being an artillery tractor based on the mostly civilian type 1940-ish Ford and not the special pattern Canadian sort. I have the generic military driver's manual for Fords built for service in all the Imperial armies. I'll try to see what there is on the light switch especially...these were early WWII military trucks based on normal Ford vehicles, and I would assume that many or all were equipped as tactical vehicles.

11-01-2015, 02:06 PM	#5
BouncinBetty Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Powys, Wales Posts: 61	Re: 1942 1 1/2 Ton Marmon Herrington. Switches Thanks for that , any info is a help.

11-04-2015, 02:17 PM	#6
BouncinBetty Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Powys, Wales Posts: 61	Re: 1942 1 1/2 Ton Marmon Herrington. Switches Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Got another one . Where does panel lamp switch go , any ideas.

11-04-2015, 02:57 PM	#7
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: 1942 1 1/2 Ton Marmon Herrington. Switches Will find out. Have not had time to read! I have the manual for Ford RHD trucks supplied to commonwealth militaries and a supplemental Australian manual covering the MH conversion and some body mods, namely roadster style top and a special bed fo the role of artillery tractor. All of this is based on the normal RHD Ford truck, basically a 1940 civilian truck with minor mods, not the specialized CMP type vehicles.

11-05-2015, 07:35 AM	#8
BouncinBetty Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Powys, Wales Posts: 61	Re: 1942 1 1/2 Ton Marmon Herrington. Switches You seem to know your stuff. I have only found US markings under paint, any ideas how the truck got here. Know one seems to know , I am the poor relation ,all the enthusiast over here want Dodges, GMC , Jeeps etc........... It's got to be a V8 for me everytime.

11-05-2015, 10:26 AM	#9
Barry-ct Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Newington, Connecticut Posts: 1,374	Re: 1942 1 1/2 Ton Marmon Herrington. Switches Being in the UK, it probably was used on an USAAF base for generic duties. If it had blackout lighting, then it is the same switch as a Jeep or WC Dodge or even a GMC. Try to find a military manual for that truck. I restored WWII vehicles and found many of the GI electrical items such as gauges, switches , regulators, etc... were common items. The light switch was a push -pull type with a button on the side you had to push in to move to different positions. What does the dash panel look like? does it have normal civilian gauges, or the round military speedo and gauges? It may have had a military add on kit to add just the military B.O. ighting. __________________ Barry 50 F-1

11-05-2015, 01:26 PM	#11
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: 1942 1 1/2 Ton Marmon Herrington. Switches Yours is LHD, I just realized. Canada manual I mentioned is for LHD, though I am sure they supplied many in RHD and this may just be a picture retained from the basic prewar manual. Your panel is normal civilian Ford with repairs. US markings are interesting here...our military used many Ford trucks of the basic civilian model, but I think all were 2WD and not used as tactical vehicles. MANY of these civilian pattern Fords (Canadian sourced) were used by all the commonwealth armies as tactical vehicles with the MH conversion...some were even built into armored cars. I'm talking civilian pattern here, not the Canadian special pattern trucks also used with 4WD and the funny cabover bodies. SO...does the serial # of your truck begin wit a C, C18 or C99, which would make it Canadian or without the C, 18 or 99, making it a USA truck? I assumed commonwealth build because of the Marmon Herington, but don't know if I'm correct!

11-06-2015, 04:05 PM	#13
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: 1942 1 1/2 Ton Marmon Herrington. Switches The truck could have a military assigned number on its plate AND a Ford number stamped on bellhousing and RF frame. Also, 525390 COULD be the main part of a Ford serial if truck was built with 239 engine. 99A-525390 would be in the range of 239 Fords built during WWII. Dr. VanPelt's site: http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/f...ialnumbers.htm lists Ford civilian serials, and you will note that this number is in the set of "missing" engines built after start of 1942 and resumption of civilian production in '46 model year. Examine your forward frame rail and crossmember area and the top of the transmission bellhousing and see if you can find Ford's number.

11-07-2015, 12:23 PM	#14
BouncinBetty Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Powys, Wales Posts: 61	Re: 1942 1 1/2 Ton Marmon Herrington. Switches Will get on that , you may be surprised to hear I have never checked up for a number on the frame ,but then I did not know where to look . I do like the archaeology part of the job.

11-07-2015, 12:28 PM	#15
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: 1942 1 1/2 Ton Marmon Herrington. Switches They can be a challenge to find!

11-09-2015, 07:27 PM	#16
Snouts out Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Covedale,oh Posts: 226	Re: 1942 1 1/2 Ton Marmon Herrington. Switches Is a key used in the ignition?No key ignition is military. The military gage insert looks like it is well fitted.A more detailed photo,would be nice.

11-11-2015, 02:38 PM	#18
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: 1942 1 1/2 Ton Marmon Herrington. Switches Ok, forget the Canadian manuals...your truck was born in the USA! It's a wartime 239 truck with engine built at the Rouge. As a flying guess, the R number is some sort of rebuilder's stamp from 1944. Most USA engines are not serialed, as the stamp on the trans covered the powertrain and became the chassis number at assembly.

11-11-2015, 03:01 PM	#19
BouncinBetty Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Powys, Wales Posts: 61	Re: 1942 1 1/2 Ton Marmon Herrington. Switches I am so glad she is what I thought she was. you've made my day.

11-11-2015, 04:33 PM	#20
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: 1942 1 1/2 Ton Marmon Herrington. Switches What puzzled me was the 4WD conversion...Commonwealth armies, especially early in the war, used a lot of basically civilian Ford trucks and some special vehicles based on that chassis with the Marmon Herrington conversion as tactical vehicles. These were heavily supplemented as the war developed by more specialized Canadian CMP type Ford that bore little outward resemblance to normal '42 Fords. Civilian based Fords in USA army seem to have been mostly used as non-tactical vehicles not needing 4WD, with trucks used farther forward being almost entirely specialized military vehicles.