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Old 01-29-2023, 12:39 PM   #1
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Default Inside fender help

Hey guys,
I am trying to repair a leak in my fuel pipe on the side of my 33 wagon. Ive removed the fender but I need to remove the inner fender. There are no screws or bolts holding it in place but it wont budge. Any suggestions?
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Old 01-29-2023, 12:50 PM   #2
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I think its part of the floor.I saw your post on the tank leak issue.Can you unscrew that fill tube collar and fill tube out enough to slip in the lead seal?

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Old 01-29-2023, 12:54 PM   #3
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Hey guys,
I am trying to repair a leak in my fuel pipe on the side of my 33 wagon. Ive removed the fender but I need to remove the inner fender. There are no screws or bolts holding it in place but it wont budge. Any suggestions?
Richard
Richard, this is probably a dumb question. Thinking back to your earlier post about the leak, is it impossible to remove and replace the filler neck with the new lead sealing gasket without having to go through the inner fender?? I have no experience with Woodies of your vintage, so hoping others will chime in for you.
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Old 01-29-2023, 01:20 PM   #4
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Unless it has been altered post-production, the inner fender is spot welded to the floor pan and is simply not removable separately.
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Old 01-29-2023, 02:19 PM   #5
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I can turn the filler neck360 degrees. It turns easily as if it is going to come out but remains stubbornly in place. Here is an inside picture. It looks like the filler neck attaches to a second section of pipe that then connects to the fuel tank.
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I can turn the filler neck360 degrees. It turns easily as if it is going to come out but remains stubbornly in place. Here is an inside picture. It looks like the filler neck attaches to a second section of pipe that then connects to the fuel tank.

Here is what it looks like out of the car.There is a lipped edge.That lipped edge is what presses against the lead seal when the collar is screwed in tight to the tank receiver.That collar is installed when the filler pipe is manufactured.
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Here is what it looks like out of the car.There is a lipped edge.That lipped edge is what presses against the lead seal when the collar is screwed in tight to the tank receiver.That collar is installed when the filler pipe is manufactured.
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That’s the piece! At the left end where you see the holes is where my filler neck is loose. It will turn but won’t come out. How do you get this loose?
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Old 01-29-2023, 05:03 PM   #9
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Can you tap on it with a hammer? It probably needs some gentle persuasion to loosen up some dirt and crud that has built up over the years. Look at the length of the threads, they are fairly long and you need to make certain it is completely unscrewed. My 2.
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Old 01-29-2023, 09:33 PM   #10
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Thanks Lawson, I’m going to try a little more pressure tomorrow. The filler neck twists easily but will not screw out. It just kind of wallows in the hole. Do you have any idea what the holes are for at the joint where the filler neck attaches to the mid pipe? It appears that the leak is where this section and the filler pipe are attached. The section that screws into the tank doesn’t appear to be leaking.
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It is an assembly (collar and tube)and has to come out as such).Those holes(on collar or threaded sleeve) are for a spanner wrench which next impossible to find -or have one made. The leak is originating from the flange(lip) that is not sealing in the receiver of the tank.Once that threaded collar is unscrewed from the receiver the filler neck tube should pull out.Nothing else holding it in.The lip of the tube could be binding in the female threads of the receiver of the tank.
From one of your pics it appears the the hole in the frame is large enough for that assy to pass thru.Now will it clear the wood of the body? Access as it appears is very limited.You might have to be creative and make an opening access thru the floor.


I have had a '34 Vic,'35 and '36 sedan & coupe which had the same filler tube connection to fuel tank.Bob Drake reproduces the new '35 &'36 filler tubes assy's.

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Old 01-30-2023, 07:05 AM   #12
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Hey deuce, in my situation the threaded section appears to be firmly connected to the tank. It’s screwed in securely with a substance I can’t identify but appears to be doing it job at that connection. No leak.
On the other hand the filler neck is loosey/goosy. It will turn easily.
What holds the filler neck to the pipe section. Is this where the lead washer should be?
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Old 01-30-2023, 07:26 AM   #13
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Richard,Yes it should be tight and not turn at all.The collar or sleeve secures it to the tank. Send me a PM with your phone number.Easier if I call than explaining for me..

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Old 01-30-2023, 10:30 AM   #14
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RKS, it’s beginning to look more and more like the filler neck can not be separated from the pipe section that filler neck attaches.
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It cannot.That threaded sleeve is slipped onto that pipe before the flange or lip is formed.It is an assy.Here is a pic of filler pipes for the different years.
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Old 01-30-2023, 07:01 PM   #16
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Thanks Sheldon, I’ve examined the underside at the rear of the gas tank. I think I can gain access to the holes by removing this section. I’ve ordered a set of spammer wrenches that will be here Wednesday or Thursday.
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OK. Ready for business this weekend!
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Old 02-04-2023, 04:30 PM   #18
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Success!
Finally able to actually pull the coupler from the car and get it on the bench. The
Flange at the end of the fuel neck was bent slightly. I was able to hammer straight.
I cleaned the threads on the coupler and lubricated with a few drops of 3in1 oil. I attached the new lead washer to the flange with just a little bit of contact cement to hold it in place until it was screwed back in. Screwed it back on most of the way by hand. Finished the last few turns with a spammer wrench and a hammer.
Now to put my wagon back together!
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