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Old 06-30-2018, 09:36 AM   #1
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Any news on the scores in Reno
Pictures would be nice also

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Old 06-30-2018, 12:34 PM   #2
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'31 SW got 497...
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Old 06-30-2018, 04:43 PM   #3
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'31 SW got 497...
Wasn’t it 497.7? A pretty darned nice car what ever way.
The list of gold standard car seemed endless.
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Old 06-30-2018, 11:09 PM   #4
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MARC National had only five cars in fine point judging..MAFCA had around twenty.Takes a special breed to devote the time and effort,then allow a judge to score your work.
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Old 07-01-2018, 12:36 AM   #5
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Big spread between Top score and mine. I only got 485.1

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Old 07-01-2018, 03:02 PM   #6
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Here are the results:

MAFCA Reno Meet (June 24 to 29, 2018) - Vehicle Judging Results

MODIFIED CLASS
Keith Collins – 1930 Sport Coupe – 429 points -Award of Excellence
Carroll Vaughan – 1930 Open Cab Pickup – 455.5 points - Award of Excellence

TOURING CLASS
Roger Davis – 1929 Town Sedan – 323.9 points – 3rd Place
Ron Peterson – 1930 Tudor – 331.1 points – 2nd Place
Alan South – 1931 Open Cab Pickup – 362 points – 2nd Place
Rick Jensen – 1930 Town Sedan – 380.9 point – 1st Place
Ed Poffenburger – 1929 Town Sedan – 382.8 points – 1st Place
Bob & Becky Ingram – 1930 Deluxe Coupe – 423.7 points - Award of Excellence

RESTORED CLASS
Dennis Martin – 1929 Open Cab Pickup – 407.2 points - Award of Excellence
William Acker – 1928 Sport Coupe – 437.1 points - Award of Excellence
Nancy Burtz – 1931 Closed Cab Pickup – 438.2 points - Award of Excellence
Steve Hamilton – 1929 Taxicab – 455.4 points - Award of Excellence
Ben Lehrfeld – 1931 Town Sedan – 457.8 points - Award of Excellence
Ralph Laurie – 1931 Deluxe Delivery – 461 points - Award of Excellence
Robert McLaughlin – 1931 SW Deluxe Fordor – 464.1 points - Award of Excellence
John Ramsey – 1928 Roadster – 465.9 points - Award of Excellence
Ray Fiorsei – 1930 Deluxe Phaeton – 470.8 points - Award of Excellence
Stan Braden – 1929 Open Cab Pickup – 471.8 points - Award of Excellence
Jim Barbee – 1931 Convertible Sedan – 476.6 points - Award of Excellence
Ed & Wilma Shannon – 1929 Town Sedan – 479.3 points - Award of Excellence
Arlyn Bieber – 1931 Victoria – 481.7 points - Award of Excellence
Ron Rude – 1928 Light Delivery – 483.9 points - Award of Excellence
Barbara Jo Birt – 1931 Town Car Delivery – 485.1 points - Award of Excellence
Doug Clayton – 1931 SW Deluxe Fordor – 497.7 points - Award of Excellence

ORIGINAL CLASS
Ed & Wilma Shannon – 1929 Town Sedan – 463.2 points - Award of Excellence
Bill & Liz Cilker – 1931 Victoria – 470.3 points - Award of Excellence

BEST OF SHOW
Doug & Debbie Clayton – 1931 SW Deluxe Fordor – 497.7 points
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Old 07-01-2018, 03:36 PM   #7
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Old 07-01-2018, 07:54 PM   #8
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Congratulations to all but especially Arlyn Bieber who has helped with me with my Victoria restoration.
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Much congratulations ������
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Old 07-02-2018, 10:55 AM   #10
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Big spread between Top score and mine. I only got 485.1
Can we see pics of your car?
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Old 07-02-2018, 11:40 PM   #11
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Default Re: The Fine Point cars of Reno

Wasn't able to catch them all, but here are a few pics.
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Old 07-02-2018, 11:50 PM   #12
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Here are some more...
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Old 07-03-2018, 06:56 PM   #13
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Does anyone know how much the Towncar delivery scored?
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Old 07-03-2018, 09:15 PM   #14
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Does anyone know how much the Towncar delivery scored?
I believe it was 485.1.
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Thanks Ken.
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Fabulous lot of photos, thank you for posting them.
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Congratulations to all the vehicles (and their owners) that were in the fine point judging. Just wish that I could have been there to see all those incredible Model A's.

Doug, you continue to outdo yourself which sets the bar higher and higher for all of us.

Barbara Jo, it is always a treat to see what your next project will be. The Town Car Delivery is outrageous and adds to your stable of top A's.

Ron, I'm so proud of you. For a guy older than the Sierra Mountains, you made all the early "A" crowd folks proud with your wonderful railroad truck.

Arlyn, be forewarned that if you ever leave your keys in the ignition of that beautiful car, I will steal it and bring it to Montana where it belongs. :-0

Again, congratulations to all the vehicles and their owners.
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Old 07-06-2018, 05:22 PM   #18
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Just added a couple of pictures of the 160-C from Reno.
Not as flashy as the Town Car Delivery, but managed a Best-of0Show
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Old 07-06-2018, 09:35 PM   #19
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Neat cars. That last picture of the '28 Tudor with 19" wheels kinda throws you, for being a Fine Point car though.

Neat thanks for posting them.
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The 29 open cab pickup with the whitewalls scored a 407 fine point...and is driven regularly.
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Congratulations again Doug. You keep raising the bar on fine point restorations!
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Neat cars. That last picture of the '28 Tudor with 19" wheels kinda throws you, for being a Fine Point car though.

Neat thanks for posting them.
The last picture of the 28 Tudor was not a judged car, it was parked at the end of the upper parking area when the judged cars were open for viewing. He was leaving the upper level to park in a different parking lot.
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Just added a couple of pictures of the 160-C from Reno.
Not as flashy as the Town Car Delivery, but managed a Best-of0Show
Stunning restoration Doug, congratulations on an outstanding effort!
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The last picture of the 28 Tudor was not a judged car, it was parked at the end of the upper parking area when the judged cars were open for viewing. He was leaving the upper level to park in a different parking lot.
Gotcha. Sharp Tudor none the less, I liked it
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Could someone give me some examples of what minus points would be for in Bill Clickers List?

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I am not quite sure what you are asking, but I think that you are asking how cars are judged.

At a MARC or MAFCA meet that has Vehicle Judging, Model A’s are judged against the Restoration Guidelines and Judging Standards. They are not judged one Model A against another. In Reno the Judges used the 1997 Guidelines. (The new 2011 Guidelines will be used at the next National Meet. This gives a restorer time to update his Model A,) If a person were to restore a Model A according to the Guidelines, his Model A would technically look like it did when it came off the assembly line.

In Vehicle Judging each vehicle starts out with 500 points and if it does not have the correct details for its year and month, it will lose points. There are 23 areas in the guidelines and they were assigned to about 12 teams of Judges. A Judging team will probably have 1 or 2 Areas to judge. Each Judging team judges the same Areas for all the cars in the Vehicle Judging. Each Area is given a certain number points (such as Area 10-Glass and Side Curtains is worth 10 points).

After all teams are done judging, the Area sheets are tallied for that vehicle and that is the overall score is arrived at.

I hope that this answers your question.
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Sorta answers. I guess what I am asking is for examples of why cars had points deducted from the 500?

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Sorta answers. I guess what I am asking is for examples of why cars had points deducted from the 500?

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Because they used a reproduction ammeter.

Because they used a ‘31 part on a ‘28.

Because they had an alternator instead of a generator.

Because a bolt was raven finished when it should have been unfinished.

Because there was a run in the paint on a splash apron.

Literally thousands of reasons why points are earned/lost.

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Let's not take it LIGHTLY, when we think of making a Model A back to "SHOWROOM" condition!!!---It takes a lots of SWEAT/DEDICATION/SKILLS/MONEY, and the list could go ON & ON & ON!!!---Even with the average, nice car, you feel that you're NEVER REALLY DONE!!!---Sorta' like tryin' to "RESTORE" my DECREPID, OLD body, to "SHOWROOM" condition!!!---LOL & LOL & LOL!!!
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I must admit thinking, 'I wonder what Doug dropped 2.7 points on' when I saw his score. So close to the perfect score!
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