The Ford Barn

Bill Cala · 09-07-2010, 09:07 AM

Thanks for all the replies. I have been asked to post both photos which I am doing below. So far, I have suggestions that the body color is Arabian Sand, Chicle Drab and Rose Beige. I'm sure it's one of them, but which one? Does anyone know the body color of the two Model A cars on the cover of the Antique Ford Repaint Manual (Ditzler)? I think they are the same color of the cars I'm posting.

Thanks again to all for your help!!

Bill

Big D · 09-07-2010, 09:55 AM

LOL--- SAME problem I had.. almost exact same color... ONE-- It's not Rose Beige ( I ordered a can and it's a Dark Brown color). It may be Arabian Sand.. The second color I ordered was Medium Cream, this was too light but a friend of mine has hand mixed it with about 1/8 or so Rose Beige and (guess I'm living better these days) got it to match perfect. I painted a piece of metal and plan on taking it to paint store and get it computer matched so I can get some more. If you can't find the color I will send you the match breakout or a piece of the metal plate to compare.

D

henry494 · 09-07-2010, 11:57 AM

Bill,
The Phaeton on the left with black wheels appears to be Arabian Sand Light, with Copra Drab moulding. The Phaeton on the right with orange wheels, that's a tough call. The body may be a color that someone mixed that's similar to Arabian Sand, but similar is as close as that got. The moulding on that Phaeton could be Seal Brown, but I won't bet any money on it.
There are many factors to consider. The photos themselves could easily change the actual color due to lighting conditions and camera settings when the photos were taken. The other factor is that paint jobbers will often mix colors to paint chips of many origins, such as the Ditzler book you reference, or many other sources. They may be accurate, they may not be. A good example are the Chicle and Copra Drabs in that Ditzler book. They are not accurate, and the "Model A Ford Paint & Finish Guide" has the correct shades of Chicle and Copra. Other factors such as the lighting conditions the paint mixer was using, did the mixer or customer say, "Oh give it a little more of xxx," which could have changed the sahde a touch, and so on.

I didn't see your original post, so I don't know exactly what information you're seeking. So, my post is based just on your current post with the two Phaeton photos. If you're wanting the most accurate color chips, my suggestion would be to stick with the "Model A Ford Paint & Finish Guide." All of those chips were derived from original chips.

Dave Lopes

wrndln · 09-07-2010, 12:01 PM

I agree with Dave on the first picture. If the first picture is a 1928 phaeton and I think it is, and has an original color scheme, I believe it is Arabian Sand Light, with Copra Drab trim and French gray pin strip (I can’t see the pin strip very well). I painted my 28 special coupe Arabian Sand Dark as Arabian Sand Light was only used on roadsters and phaetons, according to the Model A Ford Paint & Finishing Guide. My car looks darker than the phaeton in the first picture.

The second picture looks like Rose Beige with Seal Brown trim and orange pin strip. These are an original 1929-paint scheme. I am pretty sure the second picture is a 1929 due to the fender-mounted taillight.

Hope this helps

Bill Cala · 09-07-2010, 02:02 PM

Thanks to all. I think we have the mystery of the car with the black wheels solved. The 1929 with the orange wheels seems to be a puzzle. I don't think the body in the photo is dark enough to be Rose beige yet the rest of the combination seems to be correct. This vehicle is being sold in Oklahoma and the seller claims it is the original paint and the car has less than 6000 original miles (hard to believe). At any rate, I'm liking the Seal Brown trim better than the copra drab.

How big of a mistake am I making if I use Arabian Sand light and Seal Brown on my '29 Phaeton?

Thanks

Bill

MCHinson · 09-07-2010, 02:11 PM

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I would need more information to believe the story on the 1929. If I am not mistaken, the top color is wrong also.

wrndln · 09-07-2010, 08:34 PM

It is your car, so you can paint it like you want to, but if you paint it Arabian Sand Light with Seal Brown trim, it would not be original (as color schemes go) as Arabian Sand is a 28 color and Seal Brown is a 29 color. If you like the ASL and Seal Brown combo, do it.

lindy williams · 09-08-2010, 10:06 AM

Bill, I believe the color of that car on the cover of the antique paint manual is "stone brown and deep stone gray, however cars I've seen painted that color appeared to be a little lighter shade.

John LaVoy · 09-08-2010, 11:24 AM

The phaeton pictured here is Arabian Sand light.

09-07-2010, 09:55 AM	#2
Big D Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 102	Re: Colors of Phaetons Part III LOL--- SAME problem I had.. almost exact same color... ONE-- It's not Rose Beige ( I ordered a can and it's a Dark Brown color). It may be Arabian Sand.. The second color I ordered was Medium Cream, this was too light but a friend of mine has hand mixed it with about 1/8 or so Rose Beige and (guess I'm living better these days) got it to match perfect. I painted a piece of metal and plan on taking it to paint store and get it computer matched so I can get some more. If you can't find the color I will send you the match breakout or a piece of the metal plate to compare. D

09-07-2010, 11:57 AM	#3
henry494 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Simi Valley, California Posts: 193	Re: Colors of Phaetons Part III Bill, The Phaeton on the left with black wheels appears to be Arabian Sand Light, with Copra Drab moulding. The Phaeton on the right with orange wheels, that's a tough call. The body may be a color that someone mixed that's similar to Arabian Sand, but similar is as close as that got. The moulding on that Phaeton could be Seal Brown, but I won't bet any money on it. There are many factors to consider. The photos themselves could easily change the actual color due to lighting conditions and camera settings when the photos were taken. The other factor is that paint jobbers will often mix colors to paint chips of many origins, such as the Ditzler book you reference, or many other sources. They may be accurate, they may not be. A good example are the Chicle and Copra Drabs in that Ditzler book. They are not accurate, and the "Model A Ford Paint & Finish Guide" has the correct shades of Chicle and Copra. Other factors such as the lighting conditions the paint mixer was using, did the mixer or customer say, "Oh give it a little more of xxx," which could have changed the sahde a touch, and so on. I didn't see your original post, so I don't know exactly what information you're seeking. So, my post is based just on your current post with the two Phaeton photos. If you're wanting the most accurate color chips, my suggestion would be to stick with the "Model A Ford Paint & Finish Guide." All of those chips were derived from original chips. Dave Lopes

09-07-2010, 12:01 PM	#4
wrndln Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lakeville, MN Posts: 5,162	Re: Colors of Phaetons Part III I agree with Dave on the first picture. If the first picture is a 1928 phaeton and I think it is, and has an original color scheme, I believe it is Arabian Sand Light, with Copra Drab trim and French gray pin strip (I can’t see the pin strip very well). I painted my 28 special coupe Arabian Sand Dark as Arabian Sand Light was only used on roadsters and phaetons, according to the Model A Ford Paint & Finishing Guide. My car looks darker than the phaeton in the first picture. The second picture looks like Rose Beige with Seal Brown trim and orange pin strip. These are an original 1929-paint scheme. I am pretty sure the second picture is a 1929 due to the fender-mounted taillight. Hope this helps

09-07-2010, 02:02 PM	#5
Bill Cala Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 6	Re: Colors of Phaetons Part III Thanks to all. I think we have the mystery of the car with the black wheels solved. The 1929 with the orange wheels seems to be a puzzle. I don't think the body in the photo is dark enough to be Rose beige yet the rest of the combination seems to be correct. This vehicle is being sold in Oklahoma and the seller claims it is the original paint and the car has less than 6000 original miles (hard to believe). At any rate, I'm liking the Seal Brown trim better than the copra drab. How big of a mistake am I making if I use Arabian Sand light and Seal Brown on my '29 Phaeton? Thanks Bill

09-07-2010, 02:11 PM	#6
MCHinson Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 401	Re: Colors of Phaetons Part III Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I would need more information to believe the story on the 1929. If I am not mistaken, the top color is wrong also.

09-07-2010, 08:34 PM	#7
wrndln Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lakeville, MN Posts: 5,162	Re: Colors of Phaetons Part III It is your car, so you can paint it like you want to, but if you paint it Arabian Sand Light with Seal Brown trim, it would not be original (as color schemes go) as Arabian Sand is a 28 color and Seal Brown is a 29 color. If you like the ASL and Seal Brown combo, do it.

09-08-2010, 10:06 AM	#8
lindy williams Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 335	Re: Colors of Phaetons Part III Bill, I believe the color of that car on the cover of the antique paint manual is "stone brown and deep stone gray, however cars I've seen painted that color appeared to be a little lighter shade.

09-08-2010, 11:24 AM	#9
John LaVoy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rocklin, CA Posts: 1,219	Re: Colors of Phaetons Part III The phaeton pictured here is Arabian Sand light.