The Ford Barn

deuce_roadster · 11-14-2015, 01:49 AM

Oh yeah, I know all about rights of everyone to express themselves. We were allowed to come on base in civilian clothes and then change to avoid being called baby killers and being spit at if we had to stop for gas or something. I was in during a very unpopular time to be in the service.( 70-76). I agree people have all kinds of opinions on any given subject and it is good to hear them, as it tells you a lot about them.

Alaska Jim · 11-14-2015, 02:12 AM

I agree.

Hoop · 11-14-2015, 05:41 AM

First of all, this is a Ford flathead forum. It's purpose is to discuss ... Ford flatheads.

Now we want to split the Fordbarn into different classes of members, those who served and are a "notch above" ... and those who didn't.

That will help us discuss flatheads better.

Funny how quickly some of us can take the good we did and turn it into division and hostility.

Sorry I mentioned it ... but, it's still a bad idea.

(I served and would have done it for free, but they said it would be unAmerican not to take the money.)

Pete pa · 11-14-2015, 06:07 AM

Drafted US Army rank E-4 3/4/70 honorably discharged 11/3/71

Merc Cruzer · 11-14-2015, 08:58 AM

US Army drafted Sgt 4th Inf Nam 68'-69'

34pickup · 11-14-2015, 09:57 AM

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You guys are verging on getting this thread shut down. Remember, Ryan states there will be no politics discussed here. And some comments sounds a lot like politics to me.

TStiles · 11-14-2015, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 34pickup

You guys are verging on getting this thread shut down. Remember, Ryan states there will be no politics discussed here. And some comments sounds a lot like politics to me.

Can't imagine how I could interpret the comments on this thread as political. Patriotic, yes; political, no. Acknowledging someone for their military contribution to this country out of respect is certainly not political. Nor is any member of the barn stating the years they served our country a political announcement.

It's interesting to me just how many of us Barners are former military. It must have something to do with the typical age of the guys interested in flatheads and flathead-powered rigs. I believe this common thread is one of the many contributors to the civility and sense of camaraderie that are so prevalent on the Barn. 'Proud to be a member.

petehoovie · 11-14-2015, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoop

First of all, this is a Ford flathead forum. It's purpose is to discuss ... Ford flatheads.

Now we want to split the Fordbarn into different classes of members, those who served and are a "notch above" ... and those who didn't.

That will help us discuss flatheads better.

Funny how quickly some of us can take the good we did and turn it into division and hostility.

Sorry I mentioned it ... but, it's still a bad idea.

(I served and would have done it for free, but they said it would be unAmerican not to take the money.)

Good for you, Hoop!....

ford38v8 · 11-14-2015, 11:40 AM

Since I was the guy who made the suggestion of an optional service badge, I should point out that there are more badges than just military. There are Firefighter and Law Enforcement badges, EMT, and if somebody isn't proud of having served, or wants to forget about it, of course that's the choice they make.

I did not receive a PM back from Ryan, so I have no idea how he feels about it, but for a respectful discussion of what could have turned brutal, I think everyone is on the same page here, which pretty much is an indication of the respect the question deserves. The badges pictured below (There are more) are a little bigger than what is used on the other forum I post on, and it is attached at the bottom left, below the avatar, so folks can get a handle on you beyond your general location.

petehoovie · 11-14-2015, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ford38v8

Since I was the guy who made the suggestion of an optional service badge, I should point out that there are more badges than just military. There are Firefighter and Law Enforcement badges, EMT, and if somebody isn't proud of having served, or wants to forget about it, of course that's the choice they make.

I did not receive a PM back from Ryan, so I have no idea how he feels about it, but for a respectful discussion of what could have turned brutal, I think everyone is on the same page here, which pretty much is an indication of the respect the question deserves. The badges pictured below (There are more) are a little bigger than what is used on the other forum I post on, and it is attached at the bottom left, below the avatar, so folks can get a handle on you beyond your general location.

The only badge that should matter on this forum is the Classic Ford V8 logo -

Lawson Cox · 11-14-2015, 03:26 PM

What about the "Ruptured Duck", that was issued to a GI who was honorably discharged after WWII. After all, we are honoring Veterans, not V8s.

Sorry. I cannot post a photo. Look it up on Google if you don't know what it looks like.

JM 35 Sedan · 11-14-2015, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petehoovie

The only badge that should matter on this forum is this one - V8

V8 = Vegetable Juice
Why would that be the only badge that matters here on an early Ford discussion forum?

JM 35 Sedan · 11-14-2015, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawson Cox

What about the "Ruptured Duck", that was issued to a GI who was honorably discharged after WWII. After all, we are honoring Veterans, not V8s.

Sorry. I cannot post a photo. Look it up on Google if you don't know what it looks like.

Here you go Lawson. I still have my uncles WWII uniform with that honorable discharge pin attached. I was not sure what that pin represented until I looked this up on Google. Thank you! Learned something new.

jimTN · 11-14-2015, 05:35 PM

USAQMC 2lt to Capt, USASAHQ Pac, Helemano, HA, 65-68, 9th Log Cmd, Korat Thailand 68-69, Instructer, Ft Benning GA 70. back on AD in 92 with 416 ENGCMD, Chicago, IL and 4th Army HQ, Ft Sheridan, IL then to 8th Army HQ. Korea 88-89 and USARC in Forest Park GA 91. Retired as a COL and most have figured I was a REMF on my assignments.

NormC · 11-14-2015, 05:41 PM

Prof Henry,
Thank you very much for your attempt to recognize the Veterans on this site. As it appears, most of the Veterans served when our society had little regard for those who served. The locale of my duty locations loathed those in military uniform as well. Today, our country as a whole honors those who have served and are serving. Thank you again for recognizing our Veterans. Your Thank You is greatly appreciated! And I thank all those who served before me and after me!

Norm

Old Henry · 11-14-2015, 06:58 PM

Why do I suggest that veterans are a "notch above the rest of us"? I'm not a veteran so they are a notch above me. Here's why I say that.

We all have a job that serves someone. Often it seems that it is just our employer and the owners/stockholders of our employer. Usually we are also serving members of the public in some direct or indirect way. That's how most of our jobs are. I'm not suggesting that everyone employed by one of the branches of the armed forces thought every moment about the higher, patriotic cause in which they were involved. Many probably just thought that they were "just doing their job" like anyone else. But, who were they serving when they were "just doing their job"? Sure, they were contributing to whatever goals their unit or branch of the service had. But, ultimately, when all is said and done, they were all serving humanity as a whole and the cause of preserving freedom in the world for that humanity. To, me, who did not so serve, that is a higher level of service than anyone not a veteran has ever given. Whether every veteran who served thought about that higher cause every day doesn't matter. They did it. And, for that, I am eternally grateful and will honor them in my heart always. Yes, even Hoop, who doesn't really care about that honor. The story of "Saving Private Ryan" comes to mind as an illustration of how every veteran, in their own little job, helped save some private or public Ryan somewhere, including me. I salute you.

Ol' Ron · 11-14-2015, 11:27 PM

Several years ago, an older man thanked me for my service. He had a tear in his eye as he said. I tried to join, but I was 4F." I too had a tear in y eye, a good man.

Hoop · 11-15-2015, 05:36 AM

"Yes, even Hoop, who doesn't really care about that honor."

Where did you get that idea???? Please do not speak for me.

There are only a few of you that get it. Using military service to create a separate, "elite" group here on the Fordbarn is not an honor.

Answering to role call on Veterans Day here recognizes our vets and is entirely appropriate. We don't need a permanent "button" to separate Fordbarn into "us" and "them."

I did not serve to shine my own ass ... or to make myself a notch above. I always had the impression that I was doing it for someone else.

Military SERVICE, to me, means serving others, all Americans ... not serving myself.

Unifying America is a serious challenge. Start here.

Joe777 · 11-15-2015, 07:08 AM

USAF 1986-1992. KC-135(A model) and KC-10 pilot. It wasn't just a job, it was an adventure!

moefuzz · 11-15-2015, 07:24 AM

Hi,
I am only an expat by birthright,
My father took his basic training in Louisiana and served as a medic in WWll .

As a Canadian,

I am Humbled to be in Your Presence,

Thank You for everything that you (as a US citizen) have done for us, for all of us, in the name of Democracy.

There are no words that can begin to describe mine, nor my countries gratitude for the decades of
un-righteous physical and mental abuse that you and your country have taken upon themselves in the name of
Democracy.

For Others,
For Righteousness,
For Democracy.....

Thank You.

moe

.

11-14-2015, 01:49 AM	#141
deuce_roadster Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Shelton, WA Posts: 3,799	Re: Will all Veterans please arise. Oh yeah, I know all about rights of everyone to express themselves. We were allowed to come on base in civilian clothes and then change to avoid being called baby killers and being spit at if we had to stop for gas or something. I was in during a very unpopular time to be in the service.( 70-76). I agree people have all kinds of opinions on any given subject and it is good to hear them, as it tells you a lot about them.

11-14-2015, 02:12 AM	#142
Alaska Jim Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Palmer, Alaska Posts: 1,575	Re: Will all Veterans please arise. I agree.

11-14-2015, 05:41 AM	#143
Hoop Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Jacksonville FL Posts: 1,137	Re: Will all Veterans please arise. First of all, this is a Ford flathead forum. It's purpose is to discuss ... Ford flatheads. Now we want to split the Fordbarn into different classes of members, those who served and are a "notch above" ... and those who didn't. That will help us discuss flatheads better. Funny how quickly some of us can take the good we did and turn it into division and hostility. Sorry I mentioned it ... but, it's still a bad idea. (I served and would have done it for free, but they said it would be unAmerican not to take the money.) __________________ "Remember that when it comes to intelligence, half of all of us are below average."

11-14-2015, 06:07 AM	#144
Pete pa Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: allison park pa Posts: 89	Re: Will all Veterans please arise. Drafted US Army rank E-4 3/4/70 honorably discharged 11/3/71

11-14-2015, 08:58 AM	#145
Merc Cruzer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Conifer, Colorado Posts: 2,423	Re: Will all Veterans please arise. US Army drafted Sgt 4th Inf Nam 68'-69'

11-14-2015, 09:57 AM	#146
34pickup Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Huntsville Al Posts: 1,526	Re: Will all Veterans please arise. Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) You guys are verging on getting this thread shut down. Remember, Ryan states there will be no politics discussed here. And some comments sounds a lot like politics to me. __________________ Matt 24:36-41

11-14-2015, 03:26 PM	#151
Lawson Cox Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Above the gnat line in Georgia Posts: 7,009	Re: Will all Veterans please arise. What about the "Ruptured Duck", that was issued to a GI who was honorably discharged after WWII. After all, we are honoring Veterans, not V8s. Sorry. I cannot post a photo. Look it up on Google if you don't know what it looks like. __________________ Life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer to the end, the faster it goes. It is better to be seen, than viewed. "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm". Last edited by Lawson Cox; 11-14-2015 at 03:54 PM.

11-14-2015, 05:35 PM	#154
jimTN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Powell, TN Posts: 2,508	Re: Will all Veterans please arise. USAQMC 2lt to Capt, USASAHQ Pac, Helemano, HA, 65-68, 9th Log Cmd, Korat Thailand 68-69, Instructer, Ft Benning GA 70. back on AD in 92 with 416 ENGCMD, Chicago, IL and 4th Army HQ, Ft Sheridan, IL then to 8th Army HQ. Korea 88-89 and USARC in Forest Park GA 91. Retired as a COL and most have figured I was a REMF on my assignments.

11-14-2015, 05:41 PM	#155
NormC Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Flowery Branch, GA Posts: 80	Re: Will all Veterans please arise. Prof Henry, Thank you very much for your attempt to recognize the Veterans on this site. As it appears, most of the Veterans served when our society had little regard for those who served. The locale of my duty locations loathed those in military uniform as well. Today, our country as a whole honors those who have served and are serving. Thank you again for recognizing our Veterans. Your Thank You is greatly appreciated! And I thank all those who served before me and after me! Norm

11-14-2015, 06:58 PM	#156
Old Henry Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Orem, Utah Posts: 5,762	Re: Will all Veterans please arise. Why do I suggest that veterans are a "notch above the rest of us"? I'm not a veteran so they are a notch above me. Here's why I say that. We all have a job that serves someone. Often it seems that it is just our employer and the owners/stockholders of our employer. Usually we are also serving members of the public in some direct or indirect way. That's how most of our jobs are. I'm not suggesting that everyone employed by one of the branches of the armed forces thought every moment about the higher, patriotic cause in which they were involved. Many probably just thought that they were "just doing their job" like anyone else. But, who were they serving when they were "just doing their job"? Sure, they were contributing to whatever goals their unit or branch of the service had. But, ultimately, when all is said and done, they were all serving humanity as a whole and the cause of preserving freedom in the world for that humanity. To, me, who did not so serve, that is a higher level of service than anyone not a veteran has ever given. Whether every veteran who served thought about that higher cause every day doesn't matter. They did it. And, for that, I am eternally grateful and will honor them in my heart always. Yes, even Hoop, who doesn't really care about that honor. The story of "Saving Private Ryan" comes to mind as an illustration of how every veteran, in their own little job, helped save some private or public Ryan somewhere, including me. I salute you. __________________ Prof. Henry (The Roaming Gnome) "It is good to have an end to journey toward; but it is the journey that matters, in the end.” Ursula K. Le Guin in The Left Hand of Darkness Last edited by Old Henry; 11-14-2015 at 07:12 PM.*

11-14-2015, 11:27 PM	#157
Ol' Ron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chester Vt Posts: 8,855	Re: Will all Veterans please arise. Several years ago, an older man thanked me for my service. He had a tear in his eye as he said. I tried to join, but I was 4F." I too had a tear in y eye, a good man.

11-15-2015, 05:36 AM	#158
Hoop Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Jacksonville FL Posts: 1,137	Re: Will all Veterans please arise. "Yes, even Hoop, who doesn't really care about that honor." Where did you get that idea???? Please do not speak for me. There are only a few of you that get it. Using military service to create a separate, "elite" group here on the Fordbarn is not an honor. Answering to role call on Veterans Day here recognizes our vets and is entirely appropriate. We don't need a permanent "button" to separate Fordbarn into "us" and "them." I did not serve to shine my own ass ... or to make myself a notch above. I always had the impression that I was doing it for someone else. Military SERVICE, to me, means serving others, all Americans ... not serving myself. Unifying America is a serious challenge. Start here. __________________ "Remember that when it comes to intelligence, half of all of us are below average." Last edited by Hoop; 11-15-2015 at 06:22 AM.

11-15-2015, 07:08 AM	#159
Joe777 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: W.Pa Posts: 103	Re: Will all Veterans please arise. USAF 1986-1992. KC-135(A model) and KC-10 pilot. It wasn't just a job, it was an adventure!

11-15-2015, 07:24 AM	#160
moefuzz Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Under A Clean V8 Posts: 228	Re: Will all Veterans please arise. Hi, I am only an expat by birthright, My father took his basic training in Louisiana and served as a medic in WWll . As a Canadian, I am Humbled to be in Your Presence, Thank You for everything that you (as a US citizen) have done for us, for all of us, in the name of Democracy. There are no words that can begin to describe mine, nor my countries gratitude for the decades of un-righteous physical and mental abuse that you and your country have taken upon themselves in the name of Democracy. For Others, For Righteousness, For Democracy..... Thank You. moe .