The Ford Barn

burner31 · 09-07-2015, 04:29 PM

Well it's 104 today and Mama and I went cruising around, shopping really.
Mostly stayed in the 160 - 165 range the whole time.
What did I do? Well let's see.
First I did the vinegar treatment, drove around for a week with 100% vinegar (smelt like a mobile Russian restaurant), drained, flushed and neutralized with dissolved baking soda.
Refilled with water/antifreeze and drove around almost two weeks before overheating stated again, seems the vinegar loosened a lot of garbage that ended up covering the top of the radiator tubes, preventing flow.
Removed the radiator and flushed, got a hand full of garbage, turned it over and back flushed and got another handful of garbage.
Got me a gallon of "Evapo-rust" plugged up the bottom and filled up the radiator, then plugged the top and overflow tubes and let it sit 24 hours flipped the radiator for another 24 hours, then laid in down for 24 hours and then flipped it over for another 24 hours, making sure I let it soak every which way.
Drained (save the evapo-rust) flushed and then flush again, and neutralized
again with a box of dissolved baking soda.
One more good flush and refill with fresh water/antifreeze.
No leaks in the radiator but a small dripping from the water pump.

Your results may vary.

Synchro909 · 09-07-2015, 04:39 PM

Congrats on solving your problem. I bet there have been plenty of radiators replaced over the years that could have been saved. What is the active component of Evapo Rust?

burner31 · 09-07-2015, 05:03 PM

Ingredient/Chemical Designations Weight % CAS Number
Water >83 7732-18-5
Proprietary non-hazardous chelating agent <16 Proprietary
Proprietary non-hazardous detergent <1 Proprietary
In accordance with paragraph (i) of §1910.1200, the specific chemical identity and/or exact percentage (concentration) of composition has been withheld as a trade secret.

burner31 · 09-07-2015, 05:04 PM

EVAPO-RUST rust remover is an amazing award winning rust REMOVER which is utilized by the U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S. Air Force, FBI, NATO, Government Contractors, Engine Builders, Auto Enthusiasts, Gunsmiths, Forensic Labs, OEM’s, Farmers, Antique Restorers and more.

Evapo-Rust will remove rust from all types of metals containing iron. Evapo-Rust does not remove rust stains. Rust and rust stains are two different things.

EVAPO-RUST is non-corrosive to steel and does not harm brass, copper, aluminum, gold, lead, titanium, steel, cast iron, chrome, solder points, vinyl, plastic, rubber, silicone, glass, cork, or wood. EVAPO-RUST has an indefinite shelf life* and can be used over and over until it absolutely stops working. On average, one gallon de-rusts up to 300 pounds of light to moderately rusted steel.

burner31 · 09-07-2015, 05:07 PM

$25 dollars per gallon in the auto shop here in the States
Great for rusted tools

H. L. Chauvin · 09-07-2015, 05:34 PM

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Hi Keith,

FWIW: Just one (1) experience to share with overheating "vintage" vehicles:

Under "Troubleshooting", for all types of vehicles, there are always many different reasons "written" for "inexperienced" mechanics to look for as to "what" causes engine overheating.

In most cases, "experienced" mechanics find that with vintage vehicles, the "lack of proper coolant flow" is usually the "main" cause for engine overheating in 99% of the cases.

Engines will "never" run cool while producing steam for an engine coolant.

Glad to see that you recognized the "real" problem and concentrated on resolving it.

Hope this helps one to seek a main starting point when trying to resolve vintage engine overheating problems.

JBill · 09-07-2015, 05:39 PM

I admire your stick-to-it attitude. I probably would just have bought a new radiator!

Hoogah · 09-07-2015, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBill

I admire your stick-to-it attitude.....

X2. And so much more satisfying!

Mitch//pa · 09-07-2015, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by burner31

$25 dollars per gallon in the auto shop here in the States
Great for rusted tools

And gas tanks

burner31 · 09-07-2015, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitch//pa

And gas tanks

Head of the nail Mitch.
Although my tank is clean, no junk, flakes or trash, I'll be using the evapo-rust on it this winter. I'm having to much fun driving it right now.
I can see a few rust areas on the bottom of the tank.
I have quite a list started for this winter, I'm almost looking forward to it.

Al 29Tudor · 09-07-2015, 08:07 PM

Nice going Keith,
Thanks for listing all the steps in the process that brought success.
Al

DJ S · 09-07-2015, 10:22 PM

Thanks for the information! I'll use a similiar process on my car.

Henry's Lady's Man · 09-07-2015, 10:51 PM

For the record, I've been using Evaporust for about a year on different projects. It is an excellent product. I found it cheapest on their web site, and bought 5 gal concentrate... maybe 1/2 gal (don't quote me) of concentrated Evaporust in a 5 gal bucket (concentrated for low shipping rate. You reconstitute it as instructed with water. Use it sparingly, of course, just covering your part. First use of fresh stuff- several hours; heavy rust, overnight or a day.

This stuff will keep working, but get darker (decant the sludge)... as you re-use it, it will take longer and longer to get good results. You have to rinse the parts well, and DRY QUICKLY to prevent FLASH RUSTING, which will appear quickly on newly exposed iron, even though it is a VERY thin layer of rust, it is ugly. Chuck

Synchro909 · 09-08-2015, 04:16 AM

So, the ingredients are a trade secret! Guess I am none the wiser. Oh Well!

mshmodela · 09-08-2015, 02:45 PM

Congrats! and smart of keeping the radiator cleaning separate from the engine... Not a good ideal of have crap from one flow into the other when cleaning with chemicals..

updraught · 09-08-2015, 03:34 PM

A bit of info here on Evapo-rust:

http://www.evapo-rust.com.au/How%20It%20Works.html

The FAQ is worth reading too.

oldibmce · 09-08-2015, 04:16 PM

Sounds like the chemical action that takes place when oxalic acid is
introduced to iron oxide. oxalic acid used by beer can collectors to
derust old steel can. does not bother paint. rusts turns black and falls
away from the steel. Oxalic acid available in crystal form on the net.
use goggle ! Just treated my gas tank, and hopefully all the rust is
gone.

TinCup · 09-08-2015, 05:39 PM

Way to hang in there with it.

burner31 · 09-08-2015, 06:46 PM

Update:
107 today, forty miles in and around town, no issues with overheating.
Going to tighten up the brakes some...nuts out here like to turn in front of you

TinCup · 09-08-2015, 06:56 PM

When I was chasing my overheating issue Purdy Swoft kept reminding me RADIATOR, RADIATOR. As long as ambient temps are low a marginal radiator will probably get by but let it get above 85 and they will show their weakness. 100 plus degree days here in OK need a good radiator.

09-07-2015, 04:29 PM	#1
burner31 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Shawnee, Ok Posts: 3,471	Overheating solved Well it's 104 today and Mama and I went cruising around, shopping really. Mostly stayed in the 160 - 165 range the whole time. What did I do? Well let's see. First I did the vinegar treatment, drove around for a week with 100% vinegar (smelt like a mobile Russian restaurant), drained, flushed and neutralized with dissolved baking soda. Refilled with water/antifreeze and drove around almost two weeks before overheating stated again, seems the vinegar loosened a lot of garbage that ended up covering the top of the radiator tubes, preventing flow. Removed the radiator and flushed, got a hand full of garbage, turned it over and back flushed and got another handful of garbage. Got me a gallon of "Evapo-rust" plugged up the bottom and filled up the radiator, then plugged the top and overflow tubes and let it sit 24 hours flipped the radiator for another 24 hours, then laid in down for 24 hours and then flipped it over for another 24 hours, making sure I let it soak every which way. Drained (save the evapo-rust) flushed and then flush again, and neutralized again with a box of dissolved baking soda. One more good flush and refill with fresh water/antifreeze. No leaks in the radiator but a small dripping from the water pump. Your results may vary. __________________ Keith Shawnee OK '31 SW 160-B

09-07-2015, 04:39 PM	#2
Synchro909 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 7,496	Re: Overheating solved Congrats on solving your problem. I bet there have been plenty of radiators replaced over the years that could have been saved. What is the active component of Evapo Rust? __________________ I'm part of the only ever generation with an analogue childhood and a digital adulthood.

09-07-2015, 05:03 PM	#3
burner31 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Shawnee, Ok Posts: 3,471	Re: Overheating solved Ingredient/Chemical Designations Weight % CAS Number Water >83 7732-18-5 Proprietary non-hazardous chelating agent <16 Proprietary Proprietary non-hazardous detergent <1 Proprietary In accordance with paragraph (i) of §1910.1200, the specific chemical identity and/or exact percentage (concentration) of composition has been withheld as a trade secret. __________________ Keith Shawnee OK '31 SW 160-B

09-07-2015, 05:04 PM	#4
burner31 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Shawnee, Ok Posts: 3,471	Re: Overheating solved EVAPO-RUST rust remover is an amazing award winning rust REMOVER which is utilized by the U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S. Air Force, FBI, NATO, Government Contractors, Engine Builders, Auto Enthusiasts, Gunsmiths, Forensic Labs, OEM’s, Farmers, Antique Restorers and more. Evapo-Rust will remove rust from all types of metals containing iron. Evapo-Rust does not remove rust stains. Rust and rust stains are two different things. EVAPO-RUST is non-corrosive to steel and does not harm brass, copper, aluminum, gold, lead, titanium, steel, cast iron, chrome, solder points, vinyl, plastic, rubber, silicone, glass, cork, or wood. EVAPO-RUST has an indefinite shelf life* and can be used over and over until it absolutely stops working. On average, one gallon de-rusts up to 300 pounds of light to moderately rusted steel. __________________ Keith Shawnee OK '31 SW 160-B

09-07-2015, 05:07 PM	#5
burner31 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Shawnee, Ok Posts: 3,471	Re: Overheating solved $25 dollars per gallon in the auto shop here in the States Great for rusted tools __________________ Keith Shawnee OK '31 SW 160-B

09-07-2015, 05:34 PM	#6
H. L. Chauvin Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 4,179	Re: Overheating solved Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Hi Keith, FWIW: Just one (1) experience to share with overheating "vintage" vehicles: Under "Troubleshooting", for all types of vehicles, there are always many different reasons "written" for "inexperienced" mechanics to look for as to "what" causes engine overheating. In most cases, "experienced" mechanics find that with vintage vehicles, the "lack of proper coolant flow" is usually the "main" cause for engine overheating in 99% of the cases. Engines will "never" run cool while producing steam for an engine coolant. Glad to see that you recognized the "real" problem and concentrated on resolving it. Hope this helps one to seek a main starting point when trying to resolve vintage engine overheating problems.

09-07-2015, 05:39 PM	#7
JBill Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 702	Re: Overheating solved I admire your stick-to-it attitude. I probably would just have bought a new radiator!

09-07-2015, 08:07 PM	#11
Al 29Tudor Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Venice, FL Posts: 648	Re: Overheating solved Nice going Keith, Thanks for listing all the steps in the process that brought success. Al

09-07-2015, 10:22 PM	#12
DJ S Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Southwick, MA Posts: 590	Re: Overheating solved Thanks for the information! I'll use a similiar process on my car.

09-07-2015, 10:51 PM	#13
Henry's Lady's Man Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 441	Re: Overheating solved For the record, I've been using Evaporust for about a year on different projects. It is an excellent product. I found it cheapest on their web site, and bought 5 gal concentrate... maybe 1/2 gal (don't quote me) of concentrated Evaporust in a 5 gal bucket (concentrated for low shipping rate. You reconstitute it as instructed with water. Use it sparingly, of course, just covering your part. First use of fresh stuff- several hours; heavy rust, overnight or a day. This stuff will keep working, but get darker (decant the sludge)... as you re-use it, it will take longer and longer to get good results. You have to rinse the parts well, and DRY QUICKLY to prevent FLASH RUSTING, which will appear quickly on newly exposed iron, even though it is a VERY thin layer of rust, it is ugly. Chuck __________________ ... prosperity is not the product of charity but of industry - HENRY FORD

09-08-2015, 04:16 AM	#14
Synchro909 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 7,496	Re: Overheating solved So, the ingredients are a trade secret! Guess I am none the wiser. Oh Well! __________________ I'm part of the only ever generation with an analogue childhood and a digital adulthood.

09-08-2015, 02:45 PM	#15
mshmodela Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 2,763	Re: Overheating solved Congrats! and smart of keeping the radiator cleaning separate from the engine... Not a good ideal of have crap from one flow into the other when cleaning with chemicals.. __________________ -Mike Late 31' Ford Model A Tudor, Miss Daisy I don't work on cars --I'm learning about my Model A. Cleveland, Ohio

09-08-2015, 03:34 PM	#16
updraught Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Australia Posts: 1,969	Re: Overheating solved A bit of info here on Evapo-rust: http://www.evapo-rust.com.au/How%20It%20Works.html The FAQ is worth reading too.

09-08-2015, 04:16 PM	#17
oldibmce Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Raymore, MO Posts: 7	Re: Overheating solved Sounds like the chemical action that takes place when oxalic acid is introduced to iron oxide. oxalic acid used by beer can collectors to derust old steel can. does not bother paint. rusts turns black and falls away from the steel. Oxalic acid available in crystal form on the net. use goggle ! Just treated my gas tank, and hopefully all the rust is gone.

09-08-2015, 05:39 PM	#18
TinCup Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: OKC / Tonkawa, Ok. Posts: 1,977	Re: Overheating solved Way to hang in there with it. __________________ Oklahoma City Model A Restorers Group.

09-08-2015, 06:46 PM	#19
burner31 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Shawnee, Ok Posts: 3,471	Re: Overheating solved Update: 107 today, forty miles in and around town, no issues with overheating. Going to tighten up the brakes some...nuts out here like to turn in front of you __________________ Keith Shawnee OK '31 SW 160-B

09-08-2015, 06:56 PM	#20
TinCup Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: OKC / Tonkawa, Ok. Posts: 1,977	Re: Overheating solved When I was chasing my overheating issue Purdy Swoft kept reminding me RADIATOR, RADIATOR. As long as ambient temps are low a marginal radiator will probably get by but let it get above 85 and they will show their weakness. 100 plus degree days here in OK need a good radiator. __________________ Oklahoma City Model A Restorers Group.