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Old 07-26-2019, 07:15 AM   #21
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I scrapped all the 4 ft fixtures and put up the same number (as tubes) of those 4 ft linkable LED lights; but in single bulb strips closer spaced than the two bulb fluorescent fixtures had been. No wiring and gave me a chance to paint the ceiling as I went.

I used the lights from ebay that come in "six packs"; just under $10 per light (bought an extra box for matching spares in case of failure).

Can't believe the improvement; brighter and more even.
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Old 07-26-2019, 12:18 PM   #22
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Your ceiling height probably would not need high bay fixtures, they are for warehouse use with tall ceilings. To limit the need for extra wiring I would go for a one to one swap. Go on line to 1000bulbs.com or e-conolight.com. there's a lot of choices and reasonable prices. They will even make recommendation based on your dimensions and height.
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Old 07-26-2019, 04:19 PM   #23
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Guys, he's not talking about 4' fluorescent tubes. He's talking about Metal Halide.
I mentioned 240 volts because some people wire them that way because they'll run at half the amperage as 120 volt would. The transformers and related parts MUST be left out of the wiring. The socket is wired directly with, let's say for arguments sake, 120 volts. You screw in the LED and you're done! They make them for regular base, like a standard light bulb or the larger mogul base. I've installed tons of these for my customers from parking lots to warehouses to walk in freezers etc. Look em up on line, they're excellent
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Old 07-26-2019, 04:50 PM   #24
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I replaced all the fluorescent fixtures in my shop with LED fixtures I bought at Costco. The complete units were cheaper than converting the fluorescent ones to LED.
I did the same even the Costco part. They are great. I would forget those old fashioned round lights.
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Old 07-26-2019, 05:07 PM   #25
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Sams Club has a 4 ft LED shop light on sale for$22.98, $7 off the regular price of $29.98. Iíve replaced nearly all of my fluorescent light with LEDís. They are great!
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Sams Club has a 4 ft LED shop light on sale for$22.98, $7 off the regular price of $29.98. Iíve replaced nearly all of my fluorescent light with LEDís. They are great!
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With the Costco LED tubes, you don't need to buy new fixtures. They are drop in replacements for your old florescent fixtures. Works like a champ. Doesn't need your old ballast either.
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Old 07-26-2019, 09:06 PM   #27
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When I built my house with attached shop 18 years ago, for the tall ceiling I used what was recommended, metal halide I believe. Recently several have died, and I never did like the buzzing sound. Now I'm ready to replace all and what I'm hearing is that I should be looking at High Bay LED lights. Just wondering if any of you guys have gone with this sort of lighting. Any recommendations or comments most welcome.

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When I built my 30x40x14 I was going to use some metal halide because they are super cheap now since everyone uses T5 and LED lights my electrician said they are junk get dim over time, the buzz ect and he talked me into some GE 1x2' high bay lights they were costly at about $230 each but he installed 6 of them and my garage is like daylight! at first I was worried about brightness but after seeing them im super happy with how they look!

I was also looking at lights at bees lighting if you jump over to the sister forum garage journal they have a entire section to garage lighting.
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Old 07-26-2019, 10:39 PM   #28
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Guys, he's not talking about 4' fluorescent tubes. He's talking about Metal Halide.
I mentioned 240 volts because some people wire them that way because they'll run at half the amperage as 120 volt would. The transformers and related parts MUST be left out of the wiring. The socket is wired directly with, let's say for arguments sake, 120 volts. You screw in the LED and you're done! They make them for regular base, like a standard light bulb or the larger mogul base. I've installed tons of these for my customers from parking lots to warehouses to walk in freezers etc. Look em up on line, they're excellent

Ah okay that makes sense. Amps being the operable word of power usage. I understand sometimes 240 can use less energy then a 120 unit, like lets say a ac wall unit.

I would think leaving the ballast in the system would defeat the biggest reason for leds. Power usage. Seems like wasted energy. I guess still better. (not what you are saying, just previous posts)


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Old 07-27-2019, 07:57 AM   #29
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The helicopter shop I work out of has the HID metal halide type bulbs since the hangar has 18 foot ceilings to be able to lift helicopters off of the trailers. They last around 20,000 hours but we only use them when the weather is dark or on the few overtime occasions that arise. I use a vertical mast hydraulic bucket lift on the rare occasion of having to replace a bulb. I may have to change over to LED if they quit making the HID types and if I do, I'll get rid of the big clunky ballasts and wire them direct. They last longer and use less energy but they are kind of expensive. I've been slowly replacing the fluorescent bulbs with LED in the office & overhaul shop fixtures depending on use. It's nice to get rid of the ballasts. They were a pita to replace when they went bad. LEDs light right up too. There is no waiting around on worn out ballasts with the LED types.
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Old 07-27-2019, 08:10 AM   #30
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Got to weigh in here . I hate LEDs , converted my entire shop a few years back. Have
1 flurosent (sp?) above my desk in main shop ( you can buy the bulbs now , for a while you couldnt). The leds ( yes i bought the brighter bulbs ) are dim compared to the old ones.
I understand the energy issue but could care less , thats like buying gasoline , are you really driving 19 miles to save 10 cents per gallon and then buying 9 gallon ???? I have friends that do.....
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Old 07-27-2019, 04:26 PM   #31
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The price on the 48 inch fluorescents are getting up there in price too. The ballasts that are available now are crap. All of our fixtures had 4 bulbs per unit with 2 ballasts and if one went out the other of the pair went out too. Most of them are down to just two bulbs per unit since they are bright enough that way. It's saved on bulbs. The last box of fluorescents was up there in price and they aren't as easy to source locally as they used to be.

I guess that's one thing about getting old, you know your old after well over half the things you used to use daily are obsolete and no longer available.
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Old 07-27-2019, 04:44 PM   #32
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Got to weigh in here . I hate LEDs , converted my entire shop a few years back. Have
1 flurosent (sp?) above my desk in main shop ( you can buy the bulbs now , for a while you couldnt). The leds ( yes i bought the brighter bulbs ) are dim compared to the old ones.
I understand the energy issue but could care less , thats like buying gasoline , are you really driving 19 miles to save 10 cents per gallon and then buying 9 gallon ???? I have friends that do.....
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Sounds like you have a bad setup somehow, the LEDs I installed are way brighter than the fluorescents they replaced. May be the older versions vs the newer ones.
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Old 07-27-2019, 05:04 PM   #33
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Guys,
Thanks again for all the responses and information. My need for high bay lights is because my attached garage/shop is also home to an airplane. On the hangar side the ceilings are high (see pic). I want round fixtures that can hang from existing hooks, am looking at the UFO product mentioned here and elsewhere. I have had some recommendations of 200 - 300 watts and 5000 - 6000K. Any additional comments/recommendations most welcome.
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Old 07-28-2019, 12:41 PM   #34
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Sounds like you have a bad setup somehow, the LEDs I installed are way brighter than the fluorescents they replaced. May be the older versions vs the newer ones.

I agree. LEDs are easily twice as bright as florescents. They make them in different light wave colors. Might want to try another bulb hue.
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Old 07-28-2019, 01:07 PM   #35
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Years ago, we started our shop with fluorescent lighting. Later, mercury vapor replaced that, and now we have all LED fixtures. Better lighting and a 45% reduction in the power bill. The power company also gave us a rebate on the cost. As a result, I also converted lighting in my home and saved a like amount. DON'T WAIT!
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Old 07-28-2019, 02:40 PM   #36
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All this talk of LEDís I went down and got a couple yesterday to replace my old non working 8í fluorescent ceiling lights. Looks so good Iím going back for two more! Put it off for way too long.
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Old 07-28-2019, 04:35 PM   #37
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My garage had 22 standard 8ft fluorescent fixtures, and dad's garage here had the 8ft high output fixtures with the different ends on the bulbs.

I decided to convert all of mine to LED, and since I already had the fixtures mounted, I opted for the conversion bulbs. I got them from Amazon. They were VERY easy to do. All you do is hook them straight up to 120V. Clip the wires off the balast, and hook the black 120V wire to one side of the bulb, and the white to the other... and you're DONE.

The LED bulbs do a much more efficient job at converting electricity to light, so they are a LOT brighter, and put off a lot less heat. They also come on no matter how cold it is! Instant full brightness!

At dad's the fixtures were further apart and higher up, so I used the bulbs that have TWO rows of LED's. FAR brighter in the garage now! Can't say enough good things about the LED lighting... Nothing short of a complete revolution in lighting!

As for 'color'... 5k bulbs are white with no blue. 6k bulbs are daylight with a tinge of blue, and anything above 6k is a little bluish. The lower the number, the more yellow, and the higher the more blue.

One more thing... You can get bulbs with clear or frosted covers. With the clear covers, you can see each individual LED, while the frosted covers look more like a conventional fluorescent. I have some of both, and can see no difference in light output, but you do not want the clear covered bulbs where they are directly in your vision. The frosted covers are a LOT easier on the eyes. I wouldn't use the clear covers unless the bulbs were far overhead... and the frosted covers would still be fine there.

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Old 07-28-2019, 07:27 PM   #38
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Got to weigh in here . I hate LEDs , converted my entire shop a few years back. Have
The leds ( yes i bought the brighter bulbs ) are dim compared to the old ones.
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We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. My LEDs are MUCH brighter than any fluorescents. At least double the lumens. You musta got some crummy LEDs because the newer ones are super bright and a much whiter light.
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Old 07-29-2019, 05:26 AM   #39
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I used Greenlight depot in Ga free shipping.Fixing to replace 9 8ft but did 18 4ft
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Old 07-29-2019, 09:42 AM   #40
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When you use the led's will your garage door openers work from the auto's remotes? When led's came out some of them put out a frequency that blocked the remote's from working.
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