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Yesterday I pulled the pan to remove the rear cap on a club members car. I asked him for a 3/8 drive breaker bar which he did not have. Instead he gave me an old 3/8 drive ratchet and a one foot piece of pipe to slip over the handle. I said this won’t work, the ratchet can’t handle it. Well I was wrong. Like synchro909 said, the old tools are stronger.