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thanks jerry, yes i have seen that thread, its from 2011 and the guy was overwhelmed with requests for patterns and at some point in the thread it seems he does try to emphasize that he is not trying to get into just patterns, he wants to sell seats. i have not written the man. there are 3 people kinda near me with complete cars i could drive to, i just thought in the world wide forum some one may have the piece easily accessible to measure, or photograph. on that note, flathead ted, are you measuring an actual seat base, or going from some notes you had written down? thanks all for the effort