To some, no patina at all is acceptable, and to others complete surface rust is cool. To me there are certain limits to what I can handle. The 'before' photo of my '59s tailgate is a case in point. Someone had welded up holes or something on this tailgate, burning off the paint, where it appeared as ugly splotches as it rusted. When I recently bought this truck back from the guy I sold it to maybe 8 years ago the once passable patina was lots of surface rust.. He kept it outdoors and it rains almost all winter here. I mixed up some flat white and flat black into some hunter green rustoleum, drizzled in some blue and created a decent flat meadow green. Coerced my 12 yr old grand daughter to do the lettering. I am developing 'essential tremors' like my mom had. So far I can still eat soup in polite company