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V4F 04-16-2012 05:50 PM

Condor timing cover
 

i have a cast aluminum timing cover for my "A" . lost my directions . need help finding the manufacturer . all it says is "CONDOR" on the out side . it has an adjustable bolt that keeps the cam from walking . any help greatly appreciated .
thank you ... steve

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V4F 04-16-2012 08:34 PM

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still need the help please .

V4F 04-17-2012 07:59 AM

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some has to have an idea ............

George Miller 04-17-2012 08:48 AM

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I use a bolt with my over head in a stock cover. Does the bolt have bronze on the end for a bearing? I use the original sleeve with a bolt with bronze on the end inside the sleeve. I never heard of a condor. I would adjust the bolt for about .010 clearance.

V4F 04-17-2012 10:45 AM

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im afraid i have lost a part . thats why im looking for info - instructions .

just plain bill 04-17-2012 11:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steve norcal (Post 408254)
im afraid i have lost a part . thats why im looking for info - instructions .

This is what my timing cover cam stop looks like. The Condor used a coarser threaded set screw.

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2013...49181497ZnghMZ

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2068...49181497MZOCEH

hardtimes 04-17-2012 12:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by George Miller (Post 408181)
I use a bolt with my over head in a stock cover. Does the bolt have bronze on the end for a bearing? I use the original sleeve with a bolt with bronze on the end inside the sleeve. I never heard of a condor. I would adjust the bolt for about .010 clearance.

George,
How is that .010 measured/determined when setting the bolt?

George Miller 04-17-2012 01:38 PM

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I just use a feeler gauge when the pan is off

hardtimes 04-17-2012 01:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by George Miller (Post 408350)
I just use a feeler gauge when the pan is off

George,
Good to know! So, I'm trying to understand the 'advantages' of adjustable pin over stock setup:confused: In other words, does such have to be adjusted often enough to warrant taking pan off to get .010? And, if 'wear' in that area a lot over time, and according to how hard engine is used?

MALAK 04-17-2012 01:57 PM

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I would think you could use a dial indicator on the adjustment bolt head to adjust the clearance without having to take the pan off.

Crazydaddyo 04-17-2012 01:57 PM

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If you know the thread pitch, you can set the clearance by backing off the adjuster a set degree of rotation.

If your thread pitch is 7/16" - 20, then each revolution of the adjuster is .050" so .010" clearance is 72 deg of rotation. or 1/5 th of a revolution.

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Crazydaddyo 04-17-2012 02:06 PM

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A fixed stop like this is good to have when you have converted your engine to pressurized oiling. The extra force exerted on the cam to drive the oil pump that has been converted to running higher pressure, drives the cam forward. With the stock set up, the cam can walk forward .06" or more even though the cam gear is cut on a helix that is intended to force the cam toward the rear. This changes the cam timing.

With a fixed stop instead of the stock spring plunger, the cam stays where it is suppose to. I've run one for several years and have never had to adjust it.

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Crazydaddyo 04-17-2012 02:15 PM

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This is the guy that sells the Condor cover:

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showth...ighlight=speed

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attach...2&d=1280844807

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George Miller 04-17-2012 03:11 PM

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It should stay where you put it, and yes you could use a indicator. Just screw the bolt in tell it stops, then put the indicator on the bolt head and back it off how much you want, but watch it because it will change when you tighten the lock nut.
The cam will walk when you have stronger valve springs, and pressure oiling. When it walks it will change your timing some.
I like the feeler gauge because I know for sure where it is.

hardtimes 04-17-2012 03:29 PM

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Crazydaddeo,
Do you do business with this guy , and/or know anyone who has (good/bad/ugly to report)?

hardtimes 04-17-2012 03:35 PM

Re: Condor timing cover
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Miller (Post 408402)
It should stay where you put it, and yes you could use a indicator. Just screw the bolt in tell it stops, then put the indicator on the bolt head and back it off how much you want, but watch it because it will change when you tighten the lock nut.
The cam will walk when you have stronger valve springs, and pressure oiling. When it walks it will change your timing some.
I like the feeler gauge because I know for sure where it is.

George,
Thanks, wow...this is great tech/info and may explain something (possible problem) that I'm concerned about. Now, I can see the benefits of such install. Knowing you, probably make your own:)! But, do you have any source of such in mind?

George Miller 04-17-2012 03:41 PM

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I think Bill Stipe makes the timing gear cover.
Yes I make my own.

just plain bill 04-17-2012 03:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hardtimes (Post 408411)
George,
Thanks, wow...this is great tech/info and may explain something (possible problem) that I'm concerned about. Now, I can see the benefits of such install. Knowing you, probably make your own:)! But, do you have any source of such in mind?

There is a guy in No Ca that makes one with a small roller thrust bearing on an exchange basis. The guy that made the Condor originally had a handle on the HAMB of "The Saw Racer" His name is Jared Plourde.

hardtimes 04-17-2012 03:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by George Miller (Post 408416)
I think Bill Stipe makes the timing gear cover.
Yes I make my own.

How did I guess that right:D ! Thanks, I'll check with Bill...

just plain bill 04-17-2012 04:03 PM

Re: Condor timing cover
 

Stan Vermiel is the name of the person that makes a roller thrust bearing adapted to the stock timing cover. He is located in Nevada city ca.


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