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buyitsmart 03-30-2012 04:29 PM

Oil seepage between head and engine block
 

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I have oil seeping out from between the head and the engine block on my B engine. I just bought the car and drove it about 10 miles and noticed this. Should I re-torque the head? Is the torque on a B engine head 55 foot pounds?

ford1 03-30-2012 05:18 PM

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loose head nuts,improper head torque sequence, improper head torque, warped head or block

700rpm 03-30-2012 05:43 PM

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Good diagnosis by ford1. This is a common problem. I'd take the head off, put a new gasket on, maybe one of the new type that's supposed to compress better than the copper ones, and retorque it properly.

BILL WILLIAMSON 03-30-2012 06:20 PM

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First! Don't PANIC!! Torque the head first, so called "oil" may be soluable oil or some other anti-rust. Model A head gaskets DO NOT leak motor oil. Then clean old residue and see if it comes back. Same thing on one car I bought. I, personally, always add Bar's-Leaks just to feel good! By the way, I'm NOT an additive addict, as MOST are just a SNAKE OIL or PANTHER PISS money maker. Bill W.
(Torque it cold to 55ft.lbs. Do this at least twice, several days apart, DON'T loosen nuts when retorqueing!) VO

Patrick L. 03-30-2012 06:57 PM

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I agree, don't get worried just yet.. Retighten the head nuts from the center out.. Do not loosen first, just tighten.. Do it a couple times as mentioned and see what happens..

columbiA 03-30-2012 10:01 PM

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1st thing I would do is torque them all to 55#.If thats a B block,you must have an A head-which is a step backwards-or a5.5 or 5.9 head.

1931 flamingo 03-30-2012 10:15 PM

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As others have said, their advice won't cost you anything. Wipe the seepage of, re-torque it, run it, let cool, and retorque. Do this a couple of times. If the seepage persists THEN replace the gasket and start the fun again. JMO
Paul in CT

western77 03-31-2012 05:01 AM

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I can't say for sure, but the oil pan dosn't look like a "B" pan. You might want to check the steering box out, grease isn't the best diet for the worm and sector.

Mike V. Florida 03-31-2012 05:50 AM

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I have to disagree with the do not loosen group. You need to break the "stickyness" of the nut on the head. Loosen the nut 1/8 turn and then tighten.

rollingsculpture 03-31-2012 07:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida (Post 397274)
I have to disagree with the do not loosen group. You need to break the "stickyness" of the nut on the head. Loosen the nut 1/8 turn and then tighten.


drain out some water from the radiator to be below deck level or you will end up with water in the cylinders

pat in Santa Cruz 03-31-2012 09:07 AM

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what is the theory regarding not loosening the nut prior to a re torque?

Ever since Larry Brumfield suggested loosening it first, I have done that with 100% successful results. When you do not loosen first, you are only measuring the force required to break the static torque, which is more a result of rusting threads and surface tension than it is of the stretch in the stud.

buyitsmart 03-31-2012 04:37 PM

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Thanks guys. I re-torqued as best I can. Some of them were pretty loose. The problem is that head bolts 2, 8, 9 and 12 appear to be stripped. I got them all to 50lbs but #9. It would not tighten up to 50lbs.

Then when I went to 55lbs bolts #2,8 and 12 would not tighten....

Looks like it's time to take the head off and get out the helicoil.

According to Vince Falter at http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/ABcy...comparison.htm it looks like I have a Police head.

Based upon the picture of my head would you agree?
Does the engine look like a B?

Bob C 03-31-2012 05:17 PM

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Yes, B block with A police head.

Bob

1931 flamingo 03-31-2012 05:46 PM

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Anty different shots of that intake?? What is it??

Paul in CT

700rpm 03-31-2012 07:31 PM

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May I suggest you also get rid of the metal tube for your terminal box to cutout wire before it rubs bare and shorts out?

buyitsmart 03-31-2012 09:13 PM

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700rpm, good catch. I will do that.
1931, the intake is homemade with a Stromberg 97 on it.
The headers are straight pipes and homemade as well.
The car was used in Hill Climb events and it's LOUD!! LOL.

1931 flamingo 04-01-2012 06:31 PM

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As Sgt Shultz used to say: Veerrrry Interessting.

Paul in CT

Great Lakes Greg 04-01-2012 06:45 PM

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I just used the "new" style head gasket on a B engine. Two different part numbers, so I assume an "A" head gasket will not work on the "B". I had the head surfaced just enough to clean it up and the new gasket has worked very well. I bought mine from Brattons.

columbiA 04-01-2012 11:09 PM

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I used the Fel-Pro 7013 R3 gasket with the Brumfield 5.9 A head on a 33 B engine.You have to plug the 2 small holes on either side of the center water jacket hole on the B block.If you dont,you risk leaking coolant into the center cyls as the fire ring almost touches the edge of those holes.Tap the holes to 1/8" pipe& use plugs with an Allen hole.Tap the holes just enough,so that when the plugs are tight they are a few thou above the deck.I filled the holes with JB Weld& carefully filed the plugs level with the deck.This has worked well for over 13,000 miles.


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