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Dave Mellor NJ 03-19-2025 12:51 AM

Clutch release arm crack
 

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This happened to me a few years ago and i know of about 4 others, You can't release the clutch. I got it off and got a foreign replacement from Brattons it was slightly small. Trying to beat it on it ruined the fork. I got an original,pulled the rear, trans,and bell, drove the shaft out and removed the bad one, reassembled the fork and original arm with pins,put the trans and rear back and swore not to buy any more foreign crap

TomInCologne 03-19-2025 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Mellor NJ (Post 2377195)
This happened to me a few years ago and i know of about 4 others, You can't release the clutch. I got it off and got a foreign replacement from Brattons it was slightly small. Trying to beat it on it ruined the fork. I got an original,pulled the rear, trans,and bell, drove the shaft out and removed the bad one, reassembled the fork and original arm with pins,put the trans and rear back and swore not to buy any more foreign crap


I had the same problem, cracking the arm. Obviously my feet are too heavy.
But don't blame this on 'foreign crap', this arm was a bad engineering from Henrys men...

Y-Blockhead 03-19-2025 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Mellor NJ (Post 2377195)
This happened to me a few years ago and i know of about 4 others, You can't release the clutch. I got it off and got a foreign replacement from Brattons it was slightly small. Trying to beat it on it ruined the fork. I got an original,pulled the rear, trans,and bell, drove the shaft out and removed the bad one, reassembled the fork and original arm with pins,put the trans and rear back and swore not to buy any more foreign crap

I think the problem arrised from you “bearing” it on.

nkaminar 03-19-2025 07:41 AM

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I agree with Tom on this. The original design has a smaller pin and when that was increased in diameter the arms started cracking. I carry a spare arm. I wonder if a heavy duty hose clamp or two would prevent the arm from cracking.

Marshall V. Daut 03-19-2025 09:14 AM

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Besides being of questionable design, after almost 100 years of use, we are seeing more and more cases of this arm failing due to metal fatigue these days. I have replaced three in the last year alone! Old-timers in the hobby can attest that this wasn't a major problem 20-25 years ago and has increased in frequency since then. The new repo arm is much stronger, although the staking pin area will always be the Achilles heel. Too bad that you'll probably have to replace the new arm again in another hundred years. :)
M.

Kurt in NJ 03-19-2025 11:37 AM

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If it was a design problem there would have been a service bulletin.
If it was a common problem when the cars were less than 10 years old Pep Boys and other aftermarket parts catalogs would have them advertised.
Yes to have them start failing after 75 years is a design failure— they were made too good.

jb-ob 03-19-2025 02:35 PM

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Replace it with an original '28 version for more leverage................

JayJay 03-19-2025 06:54 PM

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There used to be a billet steel version of the clutch arm available, but I don't see it now. I think I may have one laying around somewhere...

Richard Knight 03-19-2025 07:16 PM

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I think some of the failures nowadays may be related to the modern pressure plates with springs that are too strong, out of spec.

Vic in E-TN 03-19-2025 09:01 PM

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This happened to me approx 30 years ago. The replacement had a bigger round part and worked well. It looked like a forging, not a casting. I do not remember where i got it.


Vic

alexiskai 03-19-2025 10:04 PM

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There are two versions of the A-7511 clutch release shaft arm being sold currently. One is a replica of the original, while the other uses significantly more material. Both claim to be US-made.

https://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/c...s/A-7511-B.jpg

https://modelastore.com/image/cache/...21-600x800.jpg

Tom Endy wrote an article in which he speculates that some instances of broken clutch arms may be due to an erroneous service bulletin that recommended modifying A-7511-B arms to accommodate a larger pin, while the A-7515-B fork would need to be replaced as it could not be safely adapted. He hypothesized that this advice was reversed from what the engineers intended – that the fork be modified and the arm replaced.

Y-Blockhead 03-19-2025 10:15 PM

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The second one alexiskai shows is longer than the original to make it easier to disingage the clutch. I have been using those for years, no problen, no fit problem either.

Ford eliminated the woodrof key when they went to the larger pin on both the fork and arm (Service Bulletins page 351).

oldspert 03-19-2025 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Y-Blockhead (Post 2377418)
The second one alexiskai shows is longer than the original to make it easier to disingage the clutch.

The longer arm would also require more force at the pedal end to release the clutch. Which would be worse, more force at the pedal or less force at the clutch?
Ed

Y-Blockhead 03-20-2025 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by oldspert (Post 2377421)
The longer arm would also require more force at the pedal end to release the clutch. Which would be worse, more force at the pedal or less force at the clutch?
Ed

You are wrong. Longer arm makes it easier at the pedal.

oldspert 03-20-2025 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Y-Blockhead (Post 2377437)
You are wrong. Longer arm makes it easier at the pedal.

You are right , what I meant was longer stroke at the pedal. Thanks for reminding me of my mechanical engineer training. After all I am 80 turning 81 in a couple months.
Ed

TomInCologne 03-20-2025 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Y-Blockhead (Post 2377437)
You are wrong. Longer arm makes it easier at the pedal.


...but the longer arm makes it easier to crack it... ;-)

JayJay 03-20-2025 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TomInCologne (Post 2377514)
...but the longer arm makes it easier to crack it... ;-)

The force applied at the shaft is determined by the resistance from the pressure plate springs. If the shaft did not turn then yes, the force applied would be higher with the longer arm (assuming this same push by the leg), but since the shaft does rotate, no the longer arm would not make the bracket more prone to breakage.

TomInCologne 03-20-2025 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JayJay (Post 2377516)
The force applied at the shaft is determined by the resistance from the pressure plate springs. If the shaft did not turn then yes, the force applied would be higher with the longer arm (assuming this same push by the leg), but since the shaft does rotate, no the longer arm would not make the bracket more prone to breakage.


and then, when the clutch is totally released, your foot works against the stop. with a longer lever. Don't ask me how i know, explaining it will be embarrassing for me.


Edit: only true if the 'stop' is within the clutch and not within the pedal mechanism...

Y-Blockhead 03-20-2025 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by oldspert (Post 2377495)
You are right , what I meant was longer stroke at the pedal. Thanks for reminding me of my mechanical engineer training. After all I am 80 turning 81 in a couple months.
Ed

Happy Birthday Ed!!

Y-Blockhead 03-20-2025 12:06 PM

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...but the longer arm makes it easier to crack it... ;-)

Me thinks it would be pretty hard to crack one of these bad boys.

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...0&d=1742490344

Although I did break my original one!!

https://live.staticflickr.com/4540/3...7a6fe29778.jpg


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