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47topless 07-25-2024 09:36 AM

Backfire through carb on acceleration
 

I am new to Model A's. My new car, 1931 Vickie. I had really bad backfire through carb. I bought and installed a new distributor, cap, body, plugs etc. and a rebuilt carb. I am "fairly" confident that I timed the engine correctly. Engine still has a backfire through carb on acceleration.
As a check, I installed a new coil but left the old one installed on the firewall. Engine starts really well but still has some backfire through carb.
A crazy thing I noticed was, what appeared to be oil, dripping down out of the old coil from the coil wire contact point.
Any suggestions on solving this backfire would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Phil

1crosscut 07-25-2024 10:07 AM

Re: Backfire through carb on acceleration
 

Check for a leak at the manifold gaskets.
Spray starting fluid around them while at idle. If rom changes then there is a leak.
Could also be a sticky / slow valve.

Big hammer 07-25-2024 10:46 AM

Re: Backfire through carb on acceleration
 

4 oz of MMO in a full tank of gas, go for a drive and enjoy the drive ! you probably have a sticky intake valve staying open on the combustion stroke

nkaminar 07-25-2024 11:11 AM

Re: Backfire through carb on acceleration
 

Backfire through the carburetor is an indication of a lean mixture or a sticky intake valve.

The lean mixture can be caused by a manifold leak, a leak at the carburetor gasket where it mounts to the intake manifold, or a leak at the throttle rod. Or it could be caused by a partially clogged jet in the carburetor.

Sticky valves can be caused by sludge or carbon buildup on the valve stem or a carbon or other particle under the valve seat causing it to be partially open. It could also be caused by a bent valve stem. Unlikely, but if there is not valve lifter to valve stem clearance, the valve will stay partly open. When the spark plug fires it will send hot gasses out into the intake manifold to ignite the air/fuel mixture there.

The Model A coil is used in the inverted orientation. If the coil was designed to be used in the upright orientation it can be filled with a fluid that will leak out when inverted. The coils that are designed to be used inverted are filled with a solid material.

Do a compression test or leak down test to see if you have a stuck valve or one that is leaking. Use the trick Crosscut talked about to find any vacuum leaks. Clean the carburetor using carburetor cleaner and compressed air. You have to take it apart but it is usually not necessary to take all the jets out.

Thodge 07-25-2024 11:23 AM

Re: Backfire through carb on acceleration
 

You could try richening up the GAV setting and see if it improves. That would help isolate a lean or valve problem.

Gene F 07-25-2024 06:08 PM

Re: Backfire through carb on acceleration
 

I bet the Marvel Mystery Oil does the trick

47topless 07-25-2024 07:09 PM

Re: Backfire through carb on acceleration
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thodge (Post 2326857)
You could try richening up the GAV setting and see if it improves. That would help isolate a lean or valve problem.

Could you please explain?
Thank you!!!!!

47topless 07-25-2024 07:09 PM

Re: Backfire through carb on acceleration
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gene F (Post 2326920)
I bet the Marvel Mystery Oil does the trick

That's what I'm hoping for.
Thank you

nkaminar 07-25-2024 07:34 PM

Re: Backfire through carb on acceleration
 

The GAV stands for gas adjustment valve. Like a lot of things on the Model A the air/fuel mixture is adjustable by the driver. The knob that you pull to choke the engine also turns and adjusts the GAV. Turning counter clockwise will put more gasoline into the engine while turning it clockwise will put less gasoline in. It is usually turned one turn counter clockwise to start a cold engine and kept at about 1/4 open to run the engine. However, each car is different and a little experimenting is needed. Do not turn the GAV tight against the stop (clockwise) because it can damage the needle valve and seat.

Another way to add more fuel is to slightly pull out the choke. This is a temporary measure just used to see if running lean is the problem. Try pulling out the choke about 1/4 of the way, more or less, to see if the car is running lean. You can keep it out using one or more cloth pins or a needle nose Vice Grip pliers. If pulling out the choke works but not the GAV, then that means there is a clogged jet in the carburetor.

Thodge 07-25-2024 07:36 PM

Re: Backfire through carb on acceleration
 

If you are usually running your gas adjusting valve around 1/4 turn open, try opening it to half a turn or even more and see if the backfiring on acceleration stays the same or lessens. As stated above, the most common causes of backfiring through the carburetor are lean mixture or an intake valve stuck open. If making your mixture more rich helps, then you’re chasing a vacuum leak or fuel delivery problem and if it doesn’t then it’s probably a valve. Does the backfiring happen right as you open up the throttle on acceleration or does it start to happen during a sustained pull?

47topless 07-25-2024 09:45 PM

Re: Backfire through carb on acceleration
 

This is such wonderful information. Thank you !!!!!!

1928 Sport Coupe 07-25-2024 11:33 PM

Re: Backfire through carb on acceleration
 

My 1928 Started backfiring through the carb after running great for an hour or two. I thought it may be running out of gas. After adding gas it still backfired and had low power. I put it in the garage to replace the steering gear with a rebuilt two tooth.
I checked the timing and points and found the point gap was less than .014. I readjusted the points to .018 and it seemed to run better, but I could not get it out on the road to test. Does this sound like a possibility? Could the condenser be bad and cause this? The distributor was rebuilt about a month ago with a new condenser installed.
Thanks

ronn 07-26-2024 05:17 AM

Re: Backfire through carb on acceleration
 

listen to big hammer- they sometimes gum up from sitting.

Y-Blockhead 07-26-2024 09:30 AM

Re: Backfire through carb on acceleration
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by 47topless (Post 2326821)
A crazy thing I noticed was, what appeared to be oil, dripping down out of the old coil from the coil wire contact point.
Any suggestions on solving this backfire would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Phil

I don't see where anyone addressed your coil leaking. Sounds like you have an oil filled coil. I would suggest you replace it with an epoxy fill coil.

Oil filled coils should only be mounted with the secondary wire facing up.

nkaminar 07-26-2024 09:54 AM

Re: Backfire through carb on acceleration
 

Y-Blockhead, re read Post #4.

Y-Blockhead 07-26-2024 09:59 AM

Re: Backfire through carb on acceleration
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by nkaminar (Post 2327022)
Y-Blockhead, re read Post #4.

Gotcha Bud, missed it.


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