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I has a 32 frame and pedals and will use a Ford 40 cylinder, and plan use a wat link, will lever/rato be Ok vs foot pressure ?
Se picture of a friends set-up but he use a modern 2 line ( do not kniw diameter ) |
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Re: Brake pedal ratio If the bell crank between the pedal pull-rod and the master cyl push-rod is 1-1 ratio you should be good with a '40 master. If once it is together and you end up wanting a "softer" pedal you could always increase the length of the pull-rod side of the bell crank a little.
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Re: Brake pedal ratio Can't see the whole lever action picture of your friend's setup. With the poor picture, it's not possible to see the brake lever pivot point and how a push on the brake pedal is pushing the pushrod into the master cylinder
A common and good ratio for manual brakes is 6:1. A '32 brake lever is 13" to the brake/clutch shaft center line, the "X" dimension below. https://napaknowhowblo.wpengine.com/...1/pedal-1a.jpg Your homework assignment is to post a sketch of your plan and /or your friend's :-) Glenn |
Re: Brake pedal ratio There is a kit that I think is superb. It uses a bell crank mounted on an extended 32 pedal box shaft. This gives a push for the master cylinder way down low. I forget who makes it.
I really have a concern with what you have. The clevis is not as strong as other designs and the bolt has to be loose so it can turn. I like to use use the strongest design for brakes. |
Re: Brake pedal ratio I agree with Andy about the engineering of you friend's set up. The pull rod from the brake pedal should have a regular clevis and pin connection to the bell crank instead of the odd connection in the picture.
I think the kit he mentioned is the V-8 Garage kit that bolts an extension to the stock pedal and mounts the master cyl bracket on the K-member. The only drawback is the low height of the master which is visible from the side on a fenderless car. There is another kit that mounts the master backwards on the front of the right leg if the K-member, that keeps it up and out of sight. |
Re: Brake pedal ratio I have not seen that kit but I have seen the original mechanical brake bellcrank used.The drivers side is stock but the master cylinder is facing backward on the passenger side. I thought about doing a car that way but the master cylinder was a bit close to the transmission. I was going to modify the arm on the bell crank for clearance.
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Re: Brake pedal ratio Hank, take a look at this HAMB thread https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/.../#post-8026903 I think the modification made by "flatoutflying" was worthy of note, simple and effective. If you were to use that modification in conjunction with a jack shaft attached to the back side of the "K" member, and mount the master cylinder in the wedge of the K member leg and the frame. I will mock this up and provide images on this thread in a few days. I don't think it's a good idea to have the master cylinder and or brake lines mounted below the frame rails.
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As an alternative here is the way I set mine up. I used the stock '32 pedals. I relocated the battery and the hole to add water to the battery is exactly where it is need to check the master cylinder.
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Seems the kit I mentioned earlier keeps the master on the left side.
Guess I was thinking of the pictures I have seen using the stock brake giz to operate the R/H mounted master as Andy described. Anyway here is a picture of Salt City Speed Shop's '32 brake kit. |
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Here's the link. I knew I had seen it but took a while to find it again. https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showp...10&postcount=7 https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...2&d=1574805551 https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...3&d=1574805551 https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...4&d=1574805551https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...5&d=1574805551 |
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Re: Brake pedal ratio Late following up, I did not see any ideas.
I was at V8 Garage last month and their design is good but beside get the cylinder low it is not meant to use a Ford 40 cylinder said owner ( ratio will not be Ok for that cylinder diameter ) One way is to has the cylinder in front ok cross and use a std 32 lever system, but I think I like the cylinder behind. I admit the watt link is not to great, here is another one I saw here in Sweden, se pics. One think one dont like it weak here on brakes. Plus I'm not a fan of modern ball links. Its nothing wrong with the older U link. |
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No ideas, are you serious?? Looks like you want to make your decision which you should. |
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I’ll just mean I was late to check and right after it was no replys ( no I see it was ! - Thanks.
Here the other wat link pictures |
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You could have the Ford master cylinder sleeved down to 7/8" from the stock 1-1/16". The pedal will stroke down closer to the floorboard than with the larger bore. |
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