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31ASlant 02-27-2024 03:35 PM

Blowing Starter Safety Fuse Help Please
 

Any help would be much appreciated.
I’m working on a 30 Tudor
All stock. I have installed a tested generator and
Cutout. When I hook the battery cable up,
The generator cutout immediately closes the points
And since the vehicle isn’t running or ignition on,
It blows the safety fuse.
So basically it’s trying to motor the generator while everything is off.
Now if I attach the cutout without the 2 little screws on the generator body
It all works.
All I can think of is something off the harness from the coil and starter side is
Has power when it touches the batt connection on the cutout top.

Bob C 02-27-2024 03:55 PM

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Almost sound like you have the cutout installed backwards.

31ASlant 02-27-2024 04:09 PM

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Here’s a picture. If it helps.

mercman from oz 02-27-2024 04:28 PM

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https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...p;d=1709068136

Here’s a picture. If it helps. 31ASlant

nkaminar 02-27-2024 04:28 PM

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Is the cutout for an opposite polarity system? Do you have a positive ground or negative ground?

31ASlant 02-27-2024 04:44 PM

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Positive ground all stock

31ASlant 02-27-2024 04:45 PM

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I’m not sure about the cutout itself. I’m assuming it’s positive ground.
I don’t know if they made them another way

Gary WA 02-27-2024 04:48 PM

Re: Blowing Starter Safety Fuse Help Please
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by 31ASlant (Post 2294062)
Any help would be much appreciated.
I’m working on a 30 Tudor
All stock. I have installed a tested generator and
Cutout. When I hook the battery cable up,
The generator cutout immediately closes the points
And since the vehicle isn’t running or ignition on,
It blows the safety fuse.
So basically it’s trying to motor the generator while everything is off.
Now if I attach the cutout without the 2 little screws on the generator body
It all works.
All I can think of is something off the harness from the coil and starter side is
Has power when it touches the batt connection on the cutout top.

you need a nylon or non-conducting washer between the cutout and two yellow wires.should not touch cutout.

Gary WA 02-27-2024 04:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 31ASlant (Post 2294072)
Here’s a picture. If it helps.

move the two yellow wires on the other side of red washer so not touching the cutout case.put the cover back on

Benson 02-27-2024 04:55 PM

Re: Blowing Starter Safety Fuse Help Please
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by 31ASlant (Post 2294062)
Any help would be much appreciated.
I’m working on a 30 Tudor
All stock. I have installed a tested generator and
Cutout. When I hook the battery cable up,
The generator cutout immediately closes the points
And since the vehicle isn’t running or ignition on,
It blows the safety fuse.
So basically it’s trying to motor the generator while everything is off.
Now if I attach the cutout without the 2 little screws on the generator body
It all works.

All I can think of is something off the harness from the coil and starter side is
Has power when it touches the batt connection on the cutout top.

.
.
.

Maybe one of the small screws that mounts the cutout, is TOO long and is shorting one of the field coil wires.

Benson 02-27-2024 05:49 PM

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Here is photo of what Gary WA is referring to>>>

Square part keeps washer in place and prevents shorts to the case cover.

Square part also centers the cover so the screw does not short on cover.

Photo from Berts website: www.modelastore.com

A-10563 GENERATOR CUTOUT INSULATORS- SET OF 2

31ASlant 02-27-2024 06:16 PM

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Ok now I understand. So I’m basically putting 6 volts to the case of the cutout.
Is that why I’m burning fuses?
Thank you

Gary WA 02-27-2024 07:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 31aslant (Post 2294111)
ok now i understand. So i’m basically putting 6 volts to the case of the cutout.
Is that why i’m burning fuses?
Thank you

yes

ndnchf 02-27-2024 09:16 PM

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Its the wrong cutout, its backwards and missing the proper insulators. I rebuild generators and refurbish original cutouts. I can provide you with a correct cutout. PM me if interested.
Steve

Gary WA 02-27-2024 09:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ndnchf (Post 2294154)
Its the wrong cutout, its backwards and missing the proper insulators. I rebuild generators and refurbish original cutouts. I can provide you with a correct cutout. PM me if interested.
Steve

Looks ok to me why is it backwards?

ndnchf 02-28-2024 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Gary WA (Post 2294155)
Looks ok to me why is it backwards?

The cutout's two feet are always closest to the input side of the cutout and the generator output stud.

Badpuppy 02-28-2024 08:51 AM

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ndnchf is correct. The battery closes the points and connects it to the generator (motor), which blows the fuse.

Question is, where did that generator case come from. Looks like you need to drill and tap new mounting holes. (Careful of the field windings.)

Kurt in NJ 02-28-2024 09:07 AM

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That’s a later generator that style just had 2 wires coming out of a grommet instead of the threaded post one for power out, the other is field ground or attached to the oval cutout.
That style reproduction cutout usually has burned up contacts or melted solder where the winding connects.
Turn the cutout around and make a short wire to connect it.

Badpuppy 02-28-2024 09:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurt in NJ (Post 2294226)
Turn the cutout around and make a short wire to connect it.

Ther ya go.

Gary WA 02-28-2024 10:35 AM

Re: Blowing Starter Safety Fuse Help Please
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by ndnchf (Post 2294183)
The cutout's two feet are always closest to the input side of the cutout and the generator output stud.

Thanks:)


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