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petehoovie 07-13-2023 11:27 AM

Interesting Article - WW2 Ford Variants
 

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miniceptor86 07-13-2023 12:16 PM

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Gotta like the green pickup with the pup tent!

jayvee34 07-13-2023 05:00 PM

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I have seen a lot of military vehicles during my military career, but never
like these three. Love um!
Looks like the rear end has chains to the wheels from a single axle.

Thanks for sharing.

highbeams 07-13-2023 05:47 PM

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Thanks! A coat & tie was required?

highbeams 07-13-2023 05:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jayvee34 (Post 2240233)
I have seen a lot of military vehicles during my military career, but never
like these three. Love um!
Looks like the rear end has chains to the wheels from a single axle.

Thanks for sharing.

Semper Fi - '66-'68

petehoovie 07-13-2023 06:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jayvee34 (Post 2240233)
I have seen a lot of military vehicles during my military career, but never
like these three. Love um!
Looks like the rear end has chains to the wheels from a single axle.

Thanks for sharing.

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1952henry 07-13-2023 07:30 PM

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Looks like ring gear and pinion to drivers.

jayvee34 07-14-2023 08:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1952henry (Post 2240258)
Looks like ring gear and pinion to drivers.

Yes they do, my mistake for thinking they were chain driven.

1952henry 07-14-2023 09:39 AM

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In all fairness, I had the benefit of Petehoovie’s large picture.

V8COOPMAN 07-14-2023 06:27 PM

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That could be a little bit interesting trying to figure a FINAL drive ratio on that contraption. Realistically assuming that the four wheels would turn at the same speed, I see THREE sets of ring and pinion ratios that need to be figured into the equation.

Coop

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corvette8n 07-14-2023 06:51 PM

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My brother had a 1967(?) DAF flat 2 cylinder, centrifugal clutch, pulley driven transmission. I remember pulling the motor and carrying it down the cellar to rebuild the clutch. Cool little car.

1952henry 07-14-2023 06:59 PM

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This outfit was in good company with Mercedes Benz and their Unimog. The portal axles had a lot of gears and goodies in them. Not a lot more complicated than the front axle from a WW2 Mack NO 7.5 ton 6x6. No u-joints or cv joints in the turning knuckle. Torque was delivered to the wheels via pinions and ring gears.

ford38v8 07-14-2023 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by V8COOPMAN (Post 2240473)
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That could be a little bit interesting trying to figure a FINAL drive ratio on that contraption. Realistically assuming that the four wheels would turn at the same speed, I see THREE sets of ring and pinion ratios that need to be figured into the equation.

Coop

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Something to ponder… it would seem to make sense that the final axle drive ring/pinion would be the same ratio as the primary axle drive assembly, one ratio canceling the other… except for a perceived need for clocking to prevent aggravated wear patterns. I would assume that a minor ratio difference would be a given in such a complicated arrangement of gearing, if for that reason alone.

petehoovie 07-14-2023 08:01 PM

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Ya think?
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rotorwrench 07-15-2023 04:24 PM

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DAF in Eindhoven was an up and coming conversion company in 1936 when they started developing those dual rear drive set ups. The Dutch military may have had an interest in those types but after the German invasion in 1940, the Werhermacht were too busy ripping off a lot of what was available in the Netherlands. Late in the war DAF was starting to prototype things for the Germann invaders but they didn't get much in production before the Werhermacht bugged out after allied forces finally retook the Netherlands.

The M39 Pantserwagon was one of the few products that were made for the Dutch military prior to the German invasion.

petehoovie 07-15-2023 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rotorwrench (Post 2240697)
DAF in Eindhoven was an up and coming conversion company in 1936 when they started developing those dual rear drive set ups.

The M39 Pantserwagon was one of the few products that were made for the Dutch military prior to the German invasion.

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cas3 07-15-2023 06:04 PM

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Cool stuff. My friend has a ww2 Mack NO, I'll have to ask him about the front axle now.

flatford8 07-15-2023 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by miniceptor86 (Post 2240177)
Gotta like the green pickup with the pup tent!

I like it too!…. the tandem axle must have been for traction…….or would ammo be a lot of weight in the small cargo box?…….Mark

drolston 07-15-2023 08:59 PM

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The outboard banjos appear to be a ring gear driving two pinions to the front and rear wheel on each side. Big gear driving little gear puts a hell of a lot of torque on the big gear axle, - judging from the size of the ring and pinion (~4:1), about four times the torque. But that appears to be a pretty stout shaft. Reduction in the wheel hubs would mitigate that torque requirement, but from the size of those hubs, maybe only 2:1.



So, if they wanted a 5:1 ratio from engine to wheel for reasonable road speed, the center ring and pinion would have to be 10:1. No way that fits in the carrier depicted, so the transmission probably has something line 2:1 reduction in high gear.


All pure speculation on my part, but I am fascinated by such contraptions.

petehoovie 07-15-2023 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cas3 (Post 2240713)
Cool stuff. My friend has a ww2 Mack NO, I'll have to ask him about the front axle now.

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