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Talkwrench 04-27-2021 12:13 AM

Whats up with this bearing?
 

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This is the center main bearing I just pulled out, was in the engine 3 years. What gives?

petehoovie 04-27-2021 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Talkwrench (Post 2011274)
This is the center main bearing I just pulled out, was in the engine 3 years. What gives?

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Brian 04-27-2021 01:49 AM

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I've seen many flathead bearings like that...too many! What the cause is I'll let the experts explain

Tinker 04-27-2021 01:56 AM

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I'm no expert. I'd say it is what it is. Probably run as is for another 3 years or more. Crank bearings are not typically line bored hence the wear on the leftside. It's a imperfect world we are just driving in it.

Desoto291Hemi 04-27-2021 02:30 AM

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Looks like the bearing is delaminates from the base material .
You see some bearings have slight chunks come off sometime like this .
You might consider swapping in some new ones .
As long as the crank journals look good,,,,I wouldn’t worry too much .
Do a good visual inspection of the cap also,,,,,to be sure .
The wear pattern looks good,,,,,no serious gouges,,,,,you should be good .
All bearings are not created equal,,,,,,these things are made in a machine,,,and they are made fast,,,,,sometimes the bonding just isn’t perfect.
Also,,,,,well,,,,you get it .

Tommy

Ol' Ron 04-27-2021 05:35 AM

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That's called "Flaking" and was common with WWII bearings. This was also caused by excessive oil pressure. Had problems with the early floaters, back in the day.. Good reason for running a full flow oil filter.

bbrocksr 04-27-2021 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Talkwrench (Post 2011274)
This is the center main bearing I just pulled out, was in the engine 3 years. What gives?

That is a bimetal bearing, steel back and a tin/babbitt layer. They fatigue easily due to the thick layer of tin/babbitt.
Use a trimetal bearing like a Clevite 77 they are a hi performance bearing, steel back a layer of copper and a thin layer of tin/babbitt.
The thick layer of tin/babbitt is soft/compressible and the continued flexing fatigues the tin/babbitt layer and starts to crack and fall out. The trimetal bearing with the copper layer and thin tin/babbitt layer doesn't have this problem.

I had this same problem in race engines.

Bill

JWL 04-27-2021 04:05 PM

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This is a typical example of bearing damage from "lugging" the engine. Of course their can be other causes, including a faulty fusion of the outer layer.

Lawrie 04-27-2021 04:09 PM

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Too much clearance and old bearings
You running a filter Rob.
Lawrie

Talkwrench 04-27-2021 07:22 PM

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Good answers guys ,thanks.

This engine was the one that they lost the caps too and I had to get others so it was line bored. Lawrie ; Clearance should have been spot on the guy that did the crank said it was basically blueprinted [?] . The bearings were new . Yes I did the 90% oil filter setup.

John ;Lugging, interesting.. Most of my driving is too and from work however I drive it like I stole it most of the time .

Ron; Too much oil pressure, possible but does not go over 60 lbs. One of my worst problems is that I dont get the oil hot enough most days so the pressure does stay high.

Bill; good info the the types.

Well if theres anyone in Oz with a spare .030 bearing let me know

Bored&Stroked 04-28-2021 11:42 AM

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If it was mine, I'd replace the entire main bearing set - with a recently manufactured set. I'm running King Bearings on many of my recent engines - have not seen an issue like this to date. Check your clearances - as every bearing manufacturer is a bit different.

I've also had good luck with Clevite/Mahle P-Series bearings . . . just a little bit pricey.

Question: Whose bearings and are they NOS/vintage manufacturer or recent?

Lawrie 04-28-2021 04:11 PM

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Rob, clevite are hard to get but you can get them here.
Lawrie

Brian 04-28-2021 04:33 PM

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The bearing pictured is out of a 21 stud engine. Now it's hard enough to source genuine Ford bearings for these early engines, let alone aftermarket...The only aftermarket bearings I've seen for these motors were Repco brand. I don't think King make them....
There is an antique engine reconditioner here in NZ that can re-metal shells, often the only alternative when playing with real obscure makes.
Rob, just keep looking, you'll find a replacement. Good luck!

Phil Gillespie 04-28-2021 06:14 PM

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Could try Reds Antique Parts as opposed to Reds Headers.
I have had some useful brgs etc from him
Phil NZ

KiWinUS 04-28-2021 07:44 PM

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Or Fred
Barnfind08

Lawrie 04-29-2021 08:38 PM

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Rob , Did you get some bearings?
Lawrie

Brian 04-29-2021 09:04 PM

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Rob, reading the adverts I see Chuck has .030 mains -front and centre.

Talkwrench 04-29-2021 11:25 PM

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Thanks BB

NO Lawrie haven't started looking locally yet... Lead?

Lawrie 04-30-2021 02:17 AM

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Have you tried auto surplus.
Lawrie

deuce lover 04-30-2021 06:04 AM

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Got my set for a 36LB from C&G 3 yrs ago.The rod bearings were harder to find


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