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Beauford 04-26-2017 02:30 AM

Briggs or Briggs T/S??
 

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It has slant windshield. Don't mind the parts shelf on the roof or what is left of it.

Tom Wesenberg 04-26-2017 05:53 AM

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The windshield can be tilted out, but that isn't a slant body. I don't have a picture handy, but hopefully someone will post a slant sedan picture to compare.

Unfortunately your body will need a lot of wood work, which is quite expensive.

Terry, NJ 04-26-2017 07:22 AM

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GOOD GOD! I didn't know you could take the body that far apart without a cutting torch! Mine was almost as bad, but the back end of my body was intact, everything else, not so much. Yes it's a Briggs! Town sedan, I can't say. Does it have cowl lights? a pull down arm rest in the middle of the rear seat? An oval interior light in the rear of the body? These are the defining characteristics of a Town Sedan. A "Standard has none of these. A "Delxue" has cowl lights and something else that I can't remember.
Terry

1930artdeco 04-26-2017 12:04 PM

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Beauford, what you have there is a 'Blindback'. They are very nice bodies but there is no third window hence the name. Lots and lots of wood as you have seen I am sure. They (to me at least) are a very classy body design.

Mike

160B 04-26-2017 12:41 PM

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Here is a side photo of a 1931 160B



https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/pictu...ictureid=17164

jrelliott 04-26-2017 03:55 PM

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That body looks like my '28 blind back. The rear of the body was covered with metal panels that were tacked on. Has a very small rear window. BTW the metal that goes from the back of the body from the rear doors to the front windshield area above the doors is VERY difficult to find along with the rain gutters for that model.
Fill all of the nail holes with round tooth picks coated in glue. A lot of work, but will give you a surface to tack new nails for attaching the sheet metal

jm29henry 04-26-2017 04:13 PM

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I think jreloiit is right!!

Brianfrench65 04-26-2017 04:48 PM

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I've been there. Good Luck. It is entirely possible to save.

Good Luck;

Brianfrench65 04-26-2017 04:49 PM

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Finished

Y-Blockhead 04-26-2017 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry, NJ (Post 1463984)
GOOD GOD! I didn't know you could take the body that far apart without a cutting torch! Mine was almost as bad, but the back end of my body was intact, everything else, not so much. Yes it's a Briggs! Town sedan, I can't say. Does it have cowl lights? a pull down arm rest in the middle of the rear seat? An oval interior light in the rear of the body? These are the defining characteristics of a Town Sedan. A "Standard has none of these. A "Delxue" has cowl lights and something else that I can't remember.
Terry

A Deluxe is a "Two Window"? :p:p Which this might be.

Beauford 04-26-2017 06:51 PM

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It has the oval interior light in the rear.

The wood other than around the rear window, top side pieces that run over the doors (rot) and a couple of door pieces (missing) are pretty good.

If it is a blind back does anyone sell the rear roof metal?

Beauford 04-26-2017 07:07 PM

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It has the oval interior light in the rear.

The wood other than around the rear window, top side pieces that run over the doors (rot) and a couple of door pieces (missing) are pretty good.

If it is a blind back does anyone sell the rear roof metal?

Y-Blockhead 04-26-2017 07:30 PM

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It has the oval interior light in the rear.

The wood other than around the rear window, top side pieces that run over the doors (rot) and a couple of door pieces (missing) are pretty good.

If it is a blind back does anyone sell the rear roof metal?

See what jrelliott said in post #6 about the metal. I don't believe you can pick and choose which parts of the wood you can buy. It all comes as a "Kit" (or two). I could be wrong.

http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/bo...ood-kits&t=&q=

You "wood" (would, haha, get it... never mind :rolleyes:) be better off if it was a SW.

Beauford 04-26-2017 07:39 PM

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Y-Blockhead.....ford wood will sell pieces but they are still extremely high. I have a cabinet maker that could handle the few pieces I need. I'm just going to have a full sheet metal roof made. The stamp on my cowl is August '28. Did they make blind backs then????

Terry, NJ 04-26-2017 08:00 PM

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It seems you have a rather desirable model. I was wondering about the "blind back" and if it might be one. But my lack of familiarity with these models made me wait for someone else's answer. For what it's worth, replace every piece of wood that's even questionable, you'll be happier in the long run. There's nothing worse than a piece of wood that won't take a nail. If that nail isn't fast to the wood in your garage how's it going to be out on the humpy bumpy road? Word to the wise, don't use Oak It swells with changing moisture. Henry used Ash. Some of the wood you don't need a cabinet maker for, like the rear seat base. Good Luck!
Terry

1930artdeco 04-26-2017 11:29 PM

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You can contact Berts in Colorado to see what they have as far as sheet metal goes. A long shot (this just a guess on my part) would be to find a donor sedan and cut out the section you need and fill in the window?

Chuck Sea/Tac 04-27-2017 12:10 AM

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It's possible it's a 170, because to me it looks like a 30. cowl?

Beauford 04-27-2017 05:25 AM

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Firewall says 8/28 and can't find a '28 blindback.

Beauford 04-27-2017 05:36 AM

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yup...just found one online. Blindback it is! What part of roof from top to around back window is metal and why are these desirable? Is it because most look like this thus no one has the money or time to restore? HAHAHAHA

I have access to cherry wood I am going to use.

jrelliott 04-27-2017 09:57 AM

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It is a blindback. The date on my firewall is 9/11/28. If you cannot find the metal pieces, you could look to an aircraft mechanic who has an English Wheel which is used to form metal.
n the wood pieces, if you are somewhat handy at cabinetry, you could make them your self. Just be aware that there are many complex mortise and tendon joints in the wood so you have to replicate the parts exactly for them to fit.


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