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Tom Wesenberg 08-09-2016 01:52 AM

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Not really, it's just one of those strange coincidences when Murphy pays a visit and lays down the law.:eek:
Two days ago I changed the oil on my 28, and as soon as I started the engine I could tell it was only running on three cylinders. I drove it a few miles around the neighborhood and it never hit on all four. I shorted the plugs and found #3 had almost no spark. I've been running an original single notch distributor body that I bought years ago at a swap meet.

Today I installed another swap meet single notch body, and it's hitting on all four again. Every time the distributor body goes bad it seems to be #3 that gets knocked out of action. Just mighty strange that it went bad just when I changed oil.

Actually Sunday wasn't a good day for me. I drove to Maple Grove to pay my Studebaker club dues for the next five years, and as we were talking cars, I told him about my 1999 Olds and how GM has been known for fuel and brake lines rusting out quickly. Two minutes later I get in the car to leave and my brake pedal goes to the floor. Another brake line just rusted out.
Now, was that perfect timing or what? :eek:

Dollar Bill 08-09-2016 02:19 AM

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"Two minutes later I get in the car to leave and my brake pedal goes to the floor. Another brake line just rusted out"

Tom, you must be living right!! Glad you're okay and were not at highway speed when brake line failure occurred.

Any theories on why distributor problem affects only one cylinder?

Tom Wesenberg 08-09-2016 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Dollar Bill (Post 1336173)
"Two minutes later I get in the car to leave and my brake pedal goes to the floor. Another brake line just rusted out"

Tom, you must be living right!! Glad you're okay and were not at highway speed when brake line failure occurred.

Any theories on why distributor problem affects only one cylinder?

The only thing I can think of is the #3 spark plug strap lays against the body, and the others a further away. After installing another body I put a small bend in the strap to hold it about 1/8" from the body edge.

C26Pinelake 08-09-2016 08:40 AM

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Its never so bad it can't be worse. That could led have happened as you approached an intersection. Wayne

Fordors 08-09-2016 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg (Post 1336170)
Actually Sunday wasn't a good day for me. I drove to Maple Grove to pay my Studebaker club dues for the next five years, and as we were talking cars, I told him about my 1999 Olds and how GM has been known for fuel and brake lines rusting out quickly. Two minutes later I get in the car to leave and my brake pedal goes to the floor. Another brake line just rusted out.
Now, was that perfect timing or what? :eek:

I'm not trying to defend GM, or any other auto manufacturer, but I think there is a direct relationship between rusting brake lines and the use of salt brines for de-icing. With some cars it is brake lines, others are troubled with unibody sub-frames rusting and compromising their integrity, and it seems to be confined to vehicles in snow and cold regions.

DougVieyra 08-09-2016 11:35 AM

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Tom Wesenberg , post # 1:
". . . my brake pedal goes to the floor. Another brake line just rusted out."
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Now you know why me and Henry Ford remain stubborn in our defense about the superiority of the MECHANICAL BREAK system !

Jim Brierley 08-09-2016 11:45 AM

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I hope you didn't waste any money buying lottery tickets that day!

Tom Wesenberg 08-09-2016 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Brierley (Post 1336312)
I hope you didn't waste any money buying lottery tickets that day!

Just returned from Brake and Equipment, and the prices have taken a jump. Last year a brake line and quart of brake fluid cost me about $12.50, and today I had to pay $47.89 for a line and quart of fluid.

The line was 10 feet 10 1/2" long and made from copper/nickel, so it won't rust, and the cost was $20, but add in labor (2 minutes to press in 2 bubble flares for $15) and environmental fees (I did nothing to hurt the environment) 2 fittings, and taxes, and it makes me wish my Oldsmobile had brake rods like my Model A. At least with brakes rods I have dependable brakes.:)

Bruce 08-09-2016 03:17 PM

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Alas, brake rods rust, too. I have some examples that are too good to pitch (or to sell at a swap) but too pitted to ever put on a car that someone I like might drive. On the other hand, it is a comfort not having to "chain up."

mshmodela 08-09-2016 03:23 PM

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I will say automakers, all of them have made a lot of progress in terms of brake lines... I recall them only lasting 5 years in the salty winters here in Cleveland.. My old 92' explorer never had a line or any brake issue in the 14 years I had it..

Tom Wesenberg 08-15-2016 12:26 PM

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It wasn't my distributor body after all. It was just a coincidence that it hit on all 4 after changing the part, and Saturday after leaving the New Brighton Antique Car Run it was hitting on only 3 again, and it was #3 not firing once more. This morning I checked my points, and found I must have neglected to set them when I put the distributor together a few weeks ago.

Anyway, this morning I set the points and tightened the locking screw, which was also loose, and it's running like it should once again.

Big hammer 08-15-2016 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg (Post 1336384)
Just returned from Brake and Equipment, and the prices have taken a jump. Last year a brake line and quart of brake fluid cost me about $12.50, and today I had to pay $47.89 for a line and quart of fluid.

The line was 10 feet 10 1/2" long and made from copper/nickel, so it won't rust, and the cost was $20, but add in labor (2 minutes to press in 2 bubble flares for $15) and environmental fees (I did nothing to hurt the environment) 2 fittings, and taxes, and it makes me wish my Oldsmobile had brake rods like my Model A. At least with brakes rods I have dependable brakes.:)

Environmental charges for buying copper/ nickel coating products? Hope we don't get charged for carrying copper in our pockets :-)

SeaSlugs 08-15-2016 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Big hammer (Post 1339172)
Environmental charges for buying copper/ nickel coating products? Hope we don't get charged for carrying copper in our pockets :-)

what type of line did you buy??? a 25 FOOT roll of brake line is $23 at Orileys...

Tom Wesenberg 08-15-2016 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SeaSlugs (Post 1339179)
what type of line did you buy??? a 25 FOOT roll of brake line is $23 at Orileys...

I assume the line was made from solid copper nickel and not just coated. At any rate at least I have good brakes again, but will ask for a price before I buy there again.

Keith True 08-15-2016 05:08 PM

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That copper/nickel line is a pleasure to work with.It turns green on the outside in short order in the salt,but it never seems to get worse.I have a hydraulic flaring setup I use to make lines with.I don't do a lot of car work,but it seems like a lot of them have a plain old double flare on one end,and an odd metric bubble flare on the other.I bought the tool because it makes the upsets on fuel and transmission lines.I'm paying $1.per foot for 3/16 line,five years ago it was $2.per foot.I have rolls of steel line hanging in the garage that I will never use now.Two local parts stores won't even stock steel line now.

Mitch//pa 08-15-2016 05:23 PM

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Keith I have this set ...is yours similar? It does a great job along with all the specialty flares..

Jeff/Illinois 08-15-2016 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg (Post 1336384)
Just returned from Brake and Equipment, and the prices have taken a jump. Last year a brake line and quart of brake fluid cost me about $12.50, and today I had to pay $47.89 for a line and quart of fluid.

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No doubt lawyers and law suits are taking their 'cut':mad: reason for the 400% increase.

Tom Wesenberg 08-15-2016 06:59 PM

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The guy told me I could buy the tool and do the flares myself. The tool clamps in the vice jaws and has a rotating head to make the different flares now in use. The tool cost $185.00 but since I'm no longer working as a full time mechanic, I hope I won't need more than a couple more bubble flares over the years.

I probably should have bought the tool just to guarantee that I won't need it again. :D

Keith True 08-15-2016 07:11 PM

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Mitch,that's the one I have.I need to buy the die and mandrel for a plain old 37 degree flare.Seems like I'm always doing a furnace fuel line,or a gas line for something.After using the Mastercool hydraulic setup you want to throw rocks at the old hand flare tools.Jeff,I'll bet the cheap line he bought a year ago was the regular steel line.With everybody going to the copper-nickel stuff the stores are not bothering to stock steel.A year ago 25 foot rolls of 3/16 steel were $16.Right now they are $10,and it is gathering dust.What does surprise me is that the parts store did the flaring for Tom.I know the parts stores here get asked to do it,but they are parts people not mechanics.Not really sure I would want the parts people doing my brake line ends anyway.Brake fluid I buy when it is on special.Seems like one of the chain store is always running a special,buy 10 quarts,$3.each.I got caught short and had to buy one quart,I think it was about $8.I make sure that I won't do that again.

Mitch//pa 08-15-2016 08:39 PM

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We replaced a lot of GM SUV / P-UP fuel and brake lines with the prebent stainless steel kit.. A big job to say the least...


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