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1955cj5 12-09-2015 08:27 PM

Brass Black on shiny bolts
 

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I like to use the old original bolts when possible but sometimes you just have to use those shiny new nuts and bolts. But they don't really fit in.

So I like to blacken them.I think it makes them look more like they belong....

I used them on the new head nuts and the water pump fake studs...

This stuff works on brass of course and most cad plated bolts. Won't work on chrome...

http://www.amazon.com/Birchwood-Case...ds=brass+black

Mitch//pa 12-09-2015 08:38 PM

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the nuts are supposed to be cad or zinc...i would have left them

heat may affect the product possibly

wrndln 12-09-2015 08:54 PM

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1955CJ5,
How durable is the black finish? It would be nice to know if the items would rust after treating them in the Brass Black liquid. I am thinking about blackening unplated, i.e. beadblasted fasteners. I have used manganese parkerizing liquid, but the black finish tends to rusts after a while.
Rusty Nelson

Larry Jenkins 12-09-2015 09:06 PM

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To emulate the Raven finish, I clean and wire brush the fasteners, then heat them up with a torch until reasonably hot and dip them in used motor oil. Turns them a satin black.

Works well. Don't know the chemistry.. Nor why the "used" oil.

Larry

1955cj5 12-09-2015 09:06 PM

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I like them to look like they belong on an old car...not a hardware store shelf...

I have not seen any rust issues....but we are in a pretty dry climate here.....

RonC 12-09-2015 09:06 PM

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It doesn't last and will rust immediately. You could coat them with satin clear paint. Professional phosphate is more durable

wrndln 12-09-2015 09:16 PM

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Larry Jenkins,
Are you concerned that heating fasteners in that it might change the steels properties, like making them brittle, or other undesirable characteristics?
Rusty Nelson

wrndln 12-09-2015 09:46 PM

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Now Vince, be nice.
Rusty Nelson

1955cj5 12-09-2015 09:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by forever4 (Post 1203254)
What technique do you use to get the spark plug bases the proper green color? :D

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attach...8&d=1449710761

Proper Henry Ford Green from Brattons of course...the finest....

Tom Wesenberg 12-09-2015 10:13 PM

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After I blacken metal with gun blueing I quickly dry the parts and rub them with a rag soaked with ATF. Once a year or so I also use the ATF soaked rag to wipe down unpainted metal parts.

Pete 12-09-2015 10:18 PM

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Almost any nut or bolt can be had at a fastener store in "PLAIN" finish. It is black oxide finish.

Larry Jenkins 12-09-2015 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by wrndln (Post 1203247)
Larry Jenkins,
Are you concerned that heating fasteners in that it might change the steels properties, like making them brittle, or other undesirable characteristics?
Rusty Nelson

Rusty..

No. You don't heat the fasteners anywhere near the point where it changes chemistry.

Larry

Larry Jenkins 12-09-2015 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete (Post 1203268)
Almost any nut or bolt can be had at a fastener store in "PLAIN" finish. It is black oxide finish.

Hardware store regular stuff is probably Grade 2 fasteners. ACE hardware stores do carry Grade 2; 5 and 8.

Most of then original Model A fasteners are harder than Grade 2. Probably equal to the modern Grade 5.

I try to keep and restore all my original Model A fasteners.. As most of you do.

Larry

Larry Jenkins 12-09-2015 10:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by forever4 (Post 1203254)
What technique do you use to get the spark plug bases the proper green color? :D

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attach...8&d=1449710761

Vince.. Looks like you got a little careless with the Green spray "bomb." ;)

larry

Pete 12-09-2015 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Jenkins (Post 1203275)
Hardware store regular stuff is probably Grade 2 fasteners. ACE hardware stores do carry Grade 2; 5 and 8.

Most of then original Model A fasteners are harder than Grade 2. Probably equal to the modern Grade 5.

I try to keep and restore all my original Model A fasteners.. As most of you do.

Larry

HARDWARE STORES ARE NOT "FASTENER" STORES!!!!!

They are junk stores that handle Chinese shit.
A fastener store is one that handles ONLY nuts and bolts, like Tacoma Screw products or Cascade Screw Products.
Their stuff is made in the USA.

Mitch//pa 12-10-2015 07:45 AM

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From the company's FAQ page>>>

Q: What metals can Brass Black be used on?
A: Brass Black is used on yellow metals (brass, copper and bronze) ONLY.

Vin-tin 12-10-2015 08:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Jenkins (Post 1203243)
To emulate the Raven finish, I clean and wire brush the fasteners, then heat them up with a torch until reasonably hot and dip them in used motor oil. Turns them a satin black.

Works well. Don't know the chemistry.. Nor why the "used" oil.

Larry

I tried gun blueing and the hot oil dip method. I think the oil dip method works better. It doesn't rub off and if you burn off the first dip and heat and dip it again it gets real nice and dark. Water sheds right off too.

Tom Wesenberg 12-10-2015 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Vin-tin (Post 1203367)
I tried gun blueing and the hot oil dip method. I think the oil dip method works better. It doesn't rub off and if you burn off the first dip and heat and dip it again it gets real nice and dark. Water sheds right off too.

How hot do you get the bolts for the oil dip method?

1955cj5 12-10-2015 11:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Jenkins (Post 1203276)
Vince.. Looks like you got a little careless with the Green spray "bomb." ;)

larry


For goodness sake those spark plugs are old and there just to fill the holes while painting etc....along with the rag in the distributor hole.....

It would be a good trick to paint the plugs but not the head nuts next to them....

Tiny 12-10-2015 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 1955cj5 (Post 1203429)
For goodness sake those spark plugs are old and there just to fill the holes while painting etc....along with the rag in the distributor hole.....

It would be a good trick to paint the plugs but not the head nuts next to them....

HaHa
I was wondering about that cotton timing apparatus;):D;):D
I think your ideas a pretty good one. I wonder how it will last?
I do agree with you though, new bolts look like a dime on a goats ass in a "used" motor situation.


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