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qmdv 10-27-2015 12:02 PM

F-1 steering with 40 ford steering wheel
 

Am building a 32 roadster and am using an F-1 box. I have a real nice 40 ford wheel that I would like to use. The F-1 steering shaft is splined but the 40 ford wheel goes on a tapered shaft with key. What is the recommended procedure. The F-1 shaft needs to be shortened anyway so why not weld on the top of an earlier shaft.

tim

JSeery 10-27-2015 12:17 PM

Re: F-1 steering with 40 ford steering wheel
 

Yep, splice in a tapered upper shaft. The only issue is good welds. In addition to the obious reason you need to keep the center hole clean and smooth for the horn wire and/or the light control selector tube and it needs to be stright.

qmdv 10-27-2015 12:26 PM

Re: F-1 steering with 40 ford steering wheel
 

The inside diameter of the shafts are not the same. Was thinking of using a piece of tubing and machining different OD's to match ID's of steering shafts for alignment.

Tim

Andy 10-27-2015 12:32 PM

Re: F-1 steering with 40 ford steering wheel
 

I did an F100 shaft conversion. I first tried to butt weld the shaft. I got some weld inside the tube and the horn shaft would not go thru. I then made a sleeve that pressed on and I was able to carfully position the new part and weld it up. The butt weld was dicey as you don't know the penatration. I could see the sleeve fillet welds.
Be carefull with the keyway position. Make sure you know when the box is exactly centered.
The keyway in the worm would need to be straight up or down. Check it.

NealinCA 10-27-2015 01:06 PM

Re: F-1 steering with 40 ford steering wheel
 

The F1 shaft can be converted to taper and key without cutting and welding.

These shafts are swedged with a heavier wall thickness at the top end, so best to re-machine the top and then shorten from the bottom and press the worm back on. I do these all the time.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...pstdix58dc.jpg

The keyway will need to be oriented down (6 oclock position) for your 40 ford steering wheel. This will be 180* out from the keyway for the worm.

Neal

qmdv 11-16-2015 05:28 PM

Re: F-1 steering with 40 ford steering wheel
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by NealinCA (Post 1179286)
The keyway will need to be oriented down (6 oclock position) for your 40 ford steering wheel. This will be 180* out from the keyway for the worm.

Neal

Well I made a sleeve to go inside the two different steering shafts and center drilled it for horn wire. I will make a good but weld. If I use a banjo style wheel, does the key way need to also be in the 6 oclock position. I am assuming so.

Tim

19Fordy 11-16-2015 05:33 PM

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Neal, You definitely have come up with a great solution. Well done.

JSeery 11-16-2015 05:46 PM

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Neal, I like that approach if you have the equipment for it.

qmdv 11-16-2015 05:55 PM

Re: F-1 steering with 40 ford steering wheel
 

On 40 wheel it does not look as if it matters whether the key is at 12 or 6 oclock. On a banjo wheel you want one set of spokes going strait down so it matters. If I had a banjo wheel I could look.

Tim

NealinCA 11-16-2015 07:46 PM

Re: F-1 steering with 40 ford steering wheel
 

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Originally Posted by qmdv (Post 1190819)
On 40 wheel it does not look as if it matters whether the key is at 12 or 6 oclock. On a banjo wheel you want one set of spokes going strait down so it matters. If I had a banjo wheel I could look.

Tim

The horn button only goes in one way on a 40-48 wheel, so it does matter.

qmdv 11-16-2015 07:52 PM

Re: F-1 steering with 40 ford steering wheel
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by NealinCA (Post 1190882)
The horn button only goes in one way on a 40-48 wheel, so it does matter.

So is the consensus key down?

Tim

NealinCA 11-17-2015 12:01 AM

Re: F-1 steering with 40 ford steering wheel
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by qmdv (Post 1190889)
So is the consensus key down?

Tim

Yes, for 35 and later steering wheels.

prpmmp 11-17-2015 09:41 AM

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http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/t.../#post-7128615 To really appreciate Neals work read this thread on building a Hot Rod!! Pete (scroll to the top)

28fordroadster 12-25-2023 09:38 PM

Re: F-1 steering with 40 ford steering wheel
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by NealinCA (Post 1179286)
The F1 shaft can be converted to taper and key without cutting and welding.

These shafts are swedged with a heavier wall thickness at the top end, so best to re-machine the top and then shorten from the bottom and press the worm back on. I do these all the time.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...pstdix58dc.jpg

The keyway will need to be oriented down (6 oclock position) for your 40 ford steering wheel. This will be 180* out from the keyway for the worm.

Neal

What is the thread dye size and tip? Is the angle 7 degrees?
Thanks for posting this info and pictures!

deuce lover 12-26-2023 02:22 AM

Re: F-1 steering with 40 ford steering wheel
 

5/8 x18


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