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Hioridge 08-03-2015 02:05 PM

Ammeter doesn't show discharge with lights on
 

The ammeter on my 30 RHD Phaeton doesn't show discharge when I turn on the lights whether the car is running or not. It show charge of about 10-12 amps a road speed. There is only one wire,yellow/black, hooked to the cutout. The cutout is a rectangular box,about 1"x2"x1".
Something must be incorrectly wired ( I didn't do it!) Help!

Bob C 08-03-2015 02:20 PM

Re: Ammeter doesn't show discharge with lights on
 

There should be three wires at the cutout. One going to the junction box(which I
think you have), one to the horn and one to the light switch.

Bob

Patrick L. 08-03-2015 03:13 PM

Re: Ammeter doesn't show discharge with lights on
 

A quick search here should provide a wiring diagram.

mshmodela 08-03-2015 04:02 PM

Re: Ammeter doesn't show discharge with lights on
 

http://www.webjunk.com/modela/wp-con...amcolor2sm.jpg

http://www.webjunk.com/modela/wp-con...amcolor2sm.jpg

Tom Wesenberg 08-04-2015 11:14 AM

Re: Ammeter doesn't show discharge with lights on
 

It sounds like someone may have connect the lights to the starter switch instead of the cutout.
At the starter switch the ammeter would be bypassed.

BILL WILLIAMSON 08-04-2015 01:32 PM

Re: Ammeter doesn't show discharge with lights on
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg (Post 1133206)
It sounds like someone may have connect the lights to the starter switch instead of the cutout.
At the starter switch the ammeter would be bypassed.

Though NOT CORRECT, that would result in somewhat BRIGHTER lights.
Bill W.

Blessyouboys 08-04-2015 01:53 PM

Re: Ammeter doesn't show discharge with lights on
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON (Post 1133290)
Though NOT CORRECT, that would result in somewhat BRIGHTER lights.
Bill W.

Why is Tom's answer incorrect?

Bob C 08-04-2015 02:25 PM

Re: Ammeter doesn't show discharge with lights on
 

I don't think he is saying Tom's answer is wrong but the way the car is
wired is wrong.

Bob

Tom Wesenberg 08-04-2015 02:37 PM

Re: Ammeter doesn't show discharge with lights on
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON (Post 1133290)
Though NOT CORRECT, that would result in somewhat BRIGHTER lights.
Bill W.

:confused: Light brightness was never mentioned, and wasn't part of the question, but yes, it might make the lights a hair brighter because it bypasses the ammeter and a few feet of wire.

BILL WILLIAMSON 08-04-2015 02:58 PM

Re: Ammeter doesn't show discharge with lights on
 

Down in the DEEP DARK woods, people did a lot of "off the wall" things, to get BRIGHTER LIGHTS!---Heavier wire, shorter wiring, headlight relays, etc.
MANY folks would NOT EVEN travel at NIGHT! It was common, to have a car that didn't even have working LIGHTS! MANY didn't have the skills to repair them, or MONEY to pay someone to fix them. Chief once traded a light repairing job, for a 1/2 grown HOG! I tole you I wuz OLD.
Bill W.

Blessyouboys 08-04-2015 04:49 PM

Re: Ammeter doesn't show discharge with lights on
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON (Post 1133341)
Down in the DEEP DARK woods, people did a lot of "off the wall" things, to get BRIGHTER LIGHTS!---Heavier wire, shorter wiring, headlight relays, etc.
MANY folks would NOT EVEN travel at NIGHT! It was common, to have a car that didn't even have working LIGHTS! MANY didn't have the skills to repair them, or MONEY to pay someone to fix them. Chief once traded a light repairing job, for a 1/2 grown HOG! I tole you I wuz OLD.
Bill W.

Did their ammeter show a discharge?

SeaSlugs 08-04-2015 05:31 PM

Re: Ammeter doesn't show discharge with lights on
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON (Post 1133341)
Down in the DEEP DARK woods, people did a lot of "off the wall" things, to get BRIGHTER LIGHTS!---Heavier wire, shorter wiring, headlight relays, etc..[/B]
Bill W.

This still holds true to cars up until about early 2000's. my 95 s10 saw a huge improvement over running 14ga wiring directly off the battery and using the old 18-20 ga headlight wires to drive relays. bypasses about 12 feet of wiring, wear and tear on headlight switch, and brighter lights.

after about 2000 every car already used a relay in the fusepannel under the hood and very little gain is noticed.

redmodelt 08-04-2015 06:00 PM

Re: Ammeter doesn't show discharge with lights on
 

By the way, you should cut back the output from your generator unless you drive lots of short trips with your lights on, even then it might be a bit high.

BILL WILLIAMSON 08-04-2015 06:05 PM

Re: Ammeter doesn't show discharge with lights on
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blessyouboys (Post 1133376)
Did their ammeter show a discharge?

Depending on what they cobbled up, probably some DID & some DID NOT. Most "probably" didn't care, as long as it started every morning. My first Model A didn't even have a needle on the AMMETER, when I first got it! Found one from an OLD tractor:D
Bill W.


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