Engine Splash Pans
 

Is there a difference between the engine splash pans for 28, 29, 30 and 31 cars? i.e. - hole spacing, shape, etc.? Bratton seems to sell "one size fits all."

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Yes, Many ..

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For starting your 'Ball Park' investigation into engine splash pans, recognize that there are two basic types: those made for the 1928-'29 fender style, and yet another design for the later 1930-'31 fender styles. Each of the types may have minor variations as to hole fitting, but they are pretty much the same for each of the two different body/fender styles - the '28-'29 style, and the slightly different '30-'31 style.

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I have been told most of the vendors list only one size to fit all. They are a better fit for the 30/31 than the 28/29, though the will work, but not for judging. With a little hammer work they will be a better fit on the 28/29 that straight off the shelf. They are a tad far away at the front cross member. compared to the originals.

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FYI, For the 1928 cars/trucks they are not even close !!..

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While working on a customers/friends Model A I discovered and ingenious, as I ahve never seen this before, way to install the Engine Pans. And, yes, engine Pans are a pain in the horse to install when one is by themself. The 1/4" holes in the frame for the 1/4" bolts have been drilled out and tapped for 5/16" bolts. Now all I have to do is lay on my back on the cold concrete and screw the 5/16" bolt upwards into the frame tapped hole. Almost easy.

Is it the way Henry did it? No. Does it work? Yes. ken

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Great idea.

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Here is another thought. Rather than up sizing to 5/16" and tapping, how about a touch of JB weld on the 1/4" nut to attach it to the frame? Just a thought?

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i dont have any trouble installing them the proper way

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Are the pans the same for RHD and LHD? Does the steering box/pitman arm foul them if I try putting the repro ones now available on a RHD car. :rolleyes:

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Charles, did you mean to say "hex head" rather than "fillister head"?
I don't recall ever seeing fillister head on engine side pans.

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I did that on my modified car, I know it's not correct, but it's much easier.

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Another case of the restoration guidelines coming in handy.

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I've been waiting for someone to say just what the "variations" are in the vendor supplied pans with respect to a '31. Do the mounting holes in the pans need to be elongated or re-drilled - or does the pan need to be trimmed or re-bent?

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I picked these up many years ago and was told they also used spring as shown in photo.
Explains the reason that both nut and bolts were drilled.
Brian

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Hmmmm …. On boy! Me thinks I’ve open a can of worms (bolts/nuts)!!!:eek:
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As an aside, I found a typo in my original entry: A21666 Engine pan to frame bolt (should read NUT) (thick head, square) … slight chamfer on top face of nut: 1/4”-20 (3/16”t x 1/2”) …{plain}.
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My original engine pans (Jan 28 vehicle) were secured with the hex head bolts (w/ chamfered edges and cotter hole) I showed earlier in this thread … that doesn’t make it right, just what I found.
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The info I posted is from Mick Isbell’s Hardware Manuel:
* A-20553 1/4-28 x 9/16 fillister head screw (8 needed)
-- notation “deleted Dec 1929”
-- in retrospect, it makes no sense that this would be a ‘fillister head’ … this may be an example of the transposition of data in the Manual that has been discussed on FB previously. My apologies for leading us astray!!:(
* A-20534 1/4-28 x 1/2 bolt
-- no mention of cotter hole
-- presumably, this was after Dec ’29 and may have coincided with the change in the mounting of the pan at the front cross member
* A-21666 1/4-20 (3/16 x 1/2) square nut
?? notice that the bolt is 28 thread; the nut 20 thread {typo?}:confused:
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The 1-1-28 PPL & 10-1-28 PPL shows:
*A-20553 1/4-28 SAE x 9/16 square head bolt with cotter hole (8 needed)
-- this conflicts with the unique hex-head bolts which I believe were original to my vehicle
* A-21666 1/4-20 SAE (3/16 x 1/2) square nut (6 needed)
?? notice that the bolt is 28 thread; the nut 20 thread {typo?}:confused:
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I dont have the various PPLs between these dates ...
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The 7-1-31 PPL shows:
* A-20553 & cotter apparently obsoleted by now
* A-20534 1/4-28 x 1/2 hex head bolt (no mention of cotter hole)
* A-21666 1/4-20 (3/16 x 1/2) square nut
* A-22150 lock washer
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Thanks Charles,
I do recall the nut thread count being a mistake in the original PPL, and it should be 28 TPI.

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what's your thoughts re: the discrepancy between the PPL saying 'square head' and my 'hex head' bolts? other 'early' guys have assured me that the hex style i have is correct.

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Hex is all I've seen, so I'd believe the "SQUARE" is another mistake.