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CA Victoria 12-01-2013 12:20 AM

Original Rumble Steps
 

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MAFCA Resto Guidelines state that a cast aluminum step plate was used from 9/29 to the end of production. Are there any distinguishing features to help discern a repo from an original? These pictured may be repos, the came off a car that was a daily driver in the 60s and may have been replaced.

Steve Plucker 12-01-2013 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CA Victoria (Post 775586)
MAFCA Resto Guidelines state that a cast aluminum step plate was used from 9/29 to the end of production. Are there any distinguishing features to help discern a repo from an original? These pictured may be repos, the came off a car that was a daily driver in the 60s and may have been replaced.

All the originals I have seen have the part number on the bottom (I think).

Pluck

Great Lakes Greg 12-01-2013 08:54 AM

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Mine has A-41563 stamped on the underside.

CA Victoria 12-01-2013 09:21 AM

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Thank you,
These have the A-4156 stamped into the bottom and have a circular cast mark in each quadrant.

figment 12-01-2013 09:29 AM

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Not to interupt this thread but what is a good way to restore these to original condition?

Steve Plucker 12-01-2013 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by figment (Post 775708)
Not to interupt this thread but what is a good way to restore these to original condition?

That is a great question figment...I guess one could start by using a product, if they make it, called "Liquid Aluminum" providing it has the same color consistancy as the real deal...kind of like some of the liquid metal stuff that is, or was, around at one time.

Pluck

Steve Plucker 12-01-2013 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CA Victoria (Post 775586)
MAFCA Resto Guidelines state that a cast aluminum step plate was used from 9/29 to the end of production. Are there any distinguishing features to help discern a repo from an original? These pictured may be repos, the came off a car that was a daily driver in the 60s and may have been replaced.

Also, isn't the "bolt" that is in the middle underside of the step plate "molded" into the casting where the repops are not?

Pluck

Steve Plucker 12-01-2013 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CA Victoria (Post 775704)
Thank you,
These have the A-4156 stamped into the bottom and have a circular cast mark in each quadrant.

No "3" on the end of the "6"?

Pluck

Marco Tahtaras 12-01-2013 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Plucker (Post 775755)
Also, isn't the "bolt" that is in the middle underside of the step plate "molded" into the casting where the repops are not?

Pluck

That doesn't apply to the round ones except the '29 cast iron (painted black) step plate at the bumper. It was cast integral with the mounting bracket so no center bolt was required.

Steve Plucker 12-01-2013 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Marco Tahtaras (Post 775765)
That doesn't apply to the round ones except the '29 cast iron (painted black) step plate at the bumper. It was cast integral with the mounting bracket so no center bolt was required.

Thank you Marco for clarifying that.

Pluck

26Tguy 02-04-2014 07:51 AM

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So I removed the step plates from my 29 sport coupe (built 8/29) and they indeed are NOT aluminum and the bumper mounted one is cast with the bracket... not bolted to it.

What would be the correct color to paint both of them? Gloss black to match the fenders or something else?

RonC 02-04-2014 08:52 AM

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I think the only way to make them look new is to lightly glass bead them?

26Tguy 02-04-2014 10:04 AM

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If I just glass bead them they will rust.

lookin-backtexas 02-04-2014 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 26Tguy (Post 816935)
If I just glass bead them they will rust.

Aluminum corrodes but it does not rust. Rust refers only to iron and steel corrosion.

Aluminum is actually very prone to corrosion. However, aluminum corrosion is aluminum oxide, a very hard material that actually protects the aluminum from further corrosion. Aluminum oxide corrosion also looks a lot more like aluminum (dull gray to powdery white in color), so it isn't as easy to notice as rusted iron.

When iron corrodes the color changes and it actually expands. This expanding and color change can produce large red flakes that we all know as rust. Unlike aluminum oxide, the expanding and flaking off of rust exposes new metal to further rusting. This is why it is so important to provide a barrier so rust doesn't start.

While aluminium doesn't rust, it often becomes dull from corrosion, and is often encrusted with brake dust, calcium, lime, tarnish, grease, oil and hard water stains. Simply washing it off, will not work, you need something stronger and more effective to do the job. Use Flitz Aluminum Pre-Clean to remove the surface grime, corrosion and buildup followed by Flitz polish (paste or liquid) to restore a brilliant shine. Works great on fuel tanks, gas pumps, mag/alcoa wheels, diamond plate, framing, step plate, engine parts, and more.

Here's a link where to get the aluminum cleaner and polish:

http://www.theruststore.com/Does-Alu...ust-W26C2.aspx

Fred

26Tguy 02-04-2014 10:20 AM

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Im afraid part of my original post was missed.

My sports coupe was assembled in August of 1929... BEFORE the step plates were made of aluminum. Mine are definitely NOT aluminum. I am the 3rd owner of the car and it seems to be very original so I do not think these are aftermarket step plates.

So... with that info... Would the step plates be painted gloss black, like the fenders OR something else?

lookin-backtexas 02-04-2014 10:41 AM

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Beginning in mid-'29 the step plates were painted black. Beginning in September 1929, through the end of production, the plates were changed to unpainted cast aluminum secured with a carriage bolt (head painted black).

100IH 02-04-2014 10:57 AM

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For the aluminum ones, one might consider blasting with Walnut shell particles. it leaves a hardened and shiny surface that might be less prone to corrosion. this is used these days on many types of aluminum castings.

RonC 02-04-2014 12:47 PM

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I don't think there is any way to chemically bring aluminum step plates back to new condition?? While polishing will work it will also buff out and make shiny a part that was not polished originally.

Great Lakes Greg 02-04-2014 07:20 PM

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26Tguy, My late September has the iron steps like yours. If I recall the judging standards correctly, The iron steps were used for just a couple of months around the time our cars were built. If that is not right, the experts will chime in. That is the beauty of this site, eventually the correct answer will surface.

Steve Wastler 02-04-2014 08:15 PM

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A few are correct with the round CI step plates. In mid 29 the step plates were black enameled, round, cast iron. In sept 29 they changed to cast aluminum.


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