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pgerhardt 07-11-2018 09:48 AM

"Gener-Nator"?
 

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Currently I am running a Powermaster alternator/generator look-a-like in my 29 tudor. However it is not a complete solution. The Powermaster is 1 & 1/4 inches larger in diameter than the model A generator. I think they just shipped their V-8 unit with the brackets needed to install on a model A. On a V-8 size is not an issue since the generator is on top of the engine with nothing else around it (Picture 1), but on the model A the larger size means that the Powermaster unit rubs up against the block. I have a piece of rubber keeping them separate (picture 2) . However it is not a good solution.

I am in touch with Don Allen who can build a "Generator-Nator" (an alternator in an actual model A generator case). This would be a true solution, but these are NOT cheap at $1K. This was expected as this is not a manufactured product, but appears to be custom built by Don for each order.

I am at the age, and stage of life, where I can afford one. However I don't want to throw away $1K either. has anyone out their run one of Don's "Gener-Nators", and how it it perform for you?

Thanks in advance for your response.

GerryAllen 07-11-2018 10:02 AM

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Please I am not being cheeky. My suggestion is buy a standard alternator and be happy that you could afford better if you wanted. I looked at the same option you bought and thought how often am I going to open the hood to admire the alternator casing
JMHO
Gerry Allen Birch Bay WA

Mike V. Florida 07-11-2018 10:05 AM

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1000 dollars, That is a lot of gas for driving. What are your expectations for the unit?

That is the top question to be answered.

The generator can be restored with a regulator for far far less than a grand. This will give you a unit that will provide more years of service then you have on this earth.

But that I just me, what do you want?

Jason in TX 07-11-2018 10:08 AM

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There is someone in the Denver CO area doing these in original V8 cases. The V8 ones I've seen are VERY nice. I've sent him a message. He may reach out to you if he is available or can help.

Y-Blockhead 07-11-2018 10:41 AM

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I used a longer belt, not a problem... :p:p

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgerhardt (Post 1649863)
Currently I am running a Powermaster alternator/generator look-a-like in my 29 tudor.

Are your wires connected properly? My wires connect to the lug on the front side of the "Fake cutout" per instructions.


https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1786/...4bac65ac9f.jpg

Purdy Swoft 07-11-2018 10:53 AM

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I run a completely stock original model A generator on 12 volts with good service . I run a Fun Projects can style 12 volt voltage regulator that takes the place of the cut out . Fun Projects also offers a 6 volt and 8 volt version of the can style voltage regulator . If high amps for lots off accessories is required , an alternator would be a better choice .

Badpuppy 07-11-2018 11:34 AM

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According to Jim Schild's "Restorer's Model A Shop Manual" the powerhouse was used through mid-1929. Apparently Y-Blockhead's solution is correct. Keep what you have and put your money into a new fan belt.

Good info - http://www.biedlers-belts.com/single...r-ii-belt.html

1931 flamingo 07-11-2018 01:55 PM

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What if you use a longer fan belt and redo the tension bracket??
Paul in CT

antiquepa 07-11-2018 02:43 PM

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I have one on my 31 roadster, my problem was that it sat on top radiator hose so i got a little shorter belt, so far so good. sounds like you'll need a little longer belt. I do like my gen/alt. and it looks like it belongs.

antiquepa 07-11-2018 02:45 PM

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[it sat on top of bottom radiator hose]

pgerhardt 07-11-2018 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Y-Blockhead (Post 1649889)
I used a longer belt, not a problem... :p:p

Are your wires connected properly? My wires connect to the lug on the front side of the "Fake cutout" per instructions.


https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1786/...4bac65ac9f.jpg

Can you tell me the part number for the belt that worked for you? When I used a longer belt (the stock one) the Powermaster pulley rubbed against the lower radiator hose.

On the model A generator the power output terminal is near the front of the generator. the power passes through the cutout and your wires are connected toward the back of the generator (picture 1). To get a similar look I mounted a nice ford script cutout backwards on the Powermaster. (picture 2) No current passes through the cutout. It comes out of the power output terminal (near the rear of the Powermaster) and to my wiring. Most never realize it is backwards!

Y-Blockhead 07-11-2018 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by pgerhardt (Post 1649988)
Can you tell me the part number for the belt that worked for you? When I used a longer belt (the stock one) the Powermaster pulley rubbed against the lower radiator hose.

Hmmm, we don't have many options. I'm running a Gates B41 (44") and it works fine. The stock belt is a Gates B40 (43") and that was too short for mine.

About rubbing on the hose, I don't know if there is a difference between a '29 (yours0 and '30 (mine).

jrelliott 07-11-2018 06:46 PM

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I am running an original Power House (3 brush) at 12 Volts. Do not have a voltage regulator on it as yet, but in the process of designing one that will go inside the case. Puts out about 10Amps on the lowest brush setting. The generator neither hits the block or the bottom radiator hose. Think this generator is larger in diameter than the generator/alternator you are looking at. Get the longer 44 inch belt as other have suggested.

JBill 07-12-2018 04:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Y-Blockhead (Post 1649889)
I used a longer belt, not a problem... :p:p


Are your wires connected properly? My wires connect to the lug on the front side of the "Fake cutout" per instructions.


https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1786/...4bac65ac9f.jpg


The belt here looks way out of line, but of course it might just be the angle from which the photo was taken.

Badpuppy 07-13-2018 11:46 AM

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Set the generator where you like it and measure the length of a string run around the pulleys. I'd say a B41 would do it.

AL in NY 07-13-2018 05:47 PM

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Russ Evans in Simi Valley, California makes an alternator that looks exactly like the Model A generator, cutout included. It's a 45 amp, 6 volt, positive ground unit that will pass fine point judging. It cost about $385.00 (one year ago). Russ stands 100% behind his alternators and will replace any defective units without question. He is a Model A guy and will build the unit for your car, just supply him with your month/year build date and he will make up one exactly as needed for your car. He doesn't have a web site or email, but he can be reached by phone at (805) 583-4221. He also makes a 12 volt, negative ground unit. I bought mine from Russ because I felt better about giving my money to him verse a big corporation.

New number for Russ Evans: (805) 428-2564

pgerhardt 07-14-2018 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AL in NY (Post 1650798)
Russ Evans in Simi Valley, California makes an alternator that looks exactly like the Model A generator, cutout included. It's a 45 amp, 6 volt, positive ground unit that will pass fine point judging. It cost about $385.00 (one year ago). Russ stands 100% behind his alternators and will replace any defective units without question. He is a Model A guy and will build the unit for your car, just supply him with your month/year build date and he will make up one exactly as needed for your car. He doesn't have a web site or email, but he can be reached by phone at (805) 583-4221. He also makes a 12 volt, negative ground unit. I bought mine from Russ because I felt better about giving my money to him verse a big corporation.

New number for Russ Evans: (805) 428-2564

Thanks for the info! :D

Badpuppy 07-14-2018 12:12 PM

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The Powermaster is probably correct for your '29. I don't believe they were used on V-8s.


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