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AlfinVA 05-23-2017 09:02 AM

Need a New Coil
 

My A's coil failed over the weekend. I need a bit of education on what and where to buy. Does any supplier provide a better coil than the others? Is there a coil that is more reliable than the others? Is a hotter coil better? What are the pros and cons of a hotter coil? Appreciate your recommendations on what and where to buy. Thanks.

jthomas6 05-23-2017 10:01 AM

Re: Need a New Coil
 

Based on information from knowledgeable people on this forum, I purchased a Pertronix 40111 1.5 ohm "Flame Thrower" coil several years ago. Very happy with it. :)

1955cj5 05-23-2017 10:27 AM

Re: Need a New Coil
 

I've read here that many coils are oil filled. If you mount them in the stock location, upside down, they can eventually leak.

I went to buy a 6v coil at the local o'reillys and when I shook it you could hear the oil sloshing around.

I think the original coils were tar filled or something similar.

I see the Pertonix 40111 mentioned above is epoxy filled....nothing to leak out....maybe I'll get one too...

Fullraceflathead 05-23-2017 10:32 AM

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Tar or Epoxy filled is best when mounted upside down like original.

1955cj5 05-23-2017 11:44 AM

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There is an oil filled version, with a similar number, considerably less expensive.

This is the epoxy filled version...

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/p...Fcdefgod8HoIGw

Bob C 05-23-2017 01:40 PM

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The oil filled is 40011 the epoxy is 40111.

Bob

1955cj5 05-23-2017 01:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob C (Post 1476444)
The oil filled is 40011 the epoxy is 40111.

Bob

Good eye Bob!

pgerhardt 05-23-2017 07:24 PM

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Speaking of coils I picked up a slant pole coil that would be appropriate for my early 29 tudor. After cleaning I noticed the lightening like trace on the Bakelite insulator (see pic). Should I give it a try anyway, or would I be asking for trouble?

Tom Wesenberg 05-23-2017 07:37 PM

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I'd fill the crack with super glue and give it a try.

Be sure the first thing to go on each post is an insulating washer.

Dick Steinkamp 05-23-2017 08:17 PM

Re: Need a New Coil
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlfinVA (Post 1476333)
My A's coil failed over the weekend. .

How did you determine that it was the coil that failed?

Mikeinnj 05-23-2017 08:36 PM

Re: Need a New Coil
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by jthomas6 (Post 1476363)
Based on information from knowledgeable people on this forum, I purchased a Pertronix 40111 1.5 ohm "Flame Thrower" coil several years ago. Very happy with it. :)

Can that coil be used on with 6 volt original points style ignition or only on the Pertronics unit?

They say their oil filled coil is available in both 1.5 ohm and 3.0 ohm versions, with either oil-filled coil.

What is the difference in the vibration resistant epoxy version regarding it's ohm's rating ?? And is any of this necessary in a Model A ?

barkleydave 05-23-2017 10:02 PM

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Been using Flame Thrower coils on a heavy boat for years. Very robust!

juke joint johnny 05-24-2017 02:45 AM

Re: Need a New Coil
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgerhardt (Post 1476587)
Speaking of coils I picked up a slant pole coil that would be appropriate for my early 29 tudor. After cleaning I noticed the lightening like trace on the Bakelite insulator (see pic). Should I give it a try anyway, or would I be asking for trouble?


I don't know if your one is OK Paul,
But a fellow drove to my house a couple weeks ago in his Canadian 29 Tudor,

It still had the Original Slant Pole coil on it and it was still working fine .

I thought a tribute to Henry and his Well Built Car

Patrick L. 05-24-2017 05:50 AM

Re: Need a New Coil
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlfinVA (Post 1476333)
My A's coil failed over the weekend. I need a bit of education on what and where to buy. Does any supplier provide a better coil than the others? Is there a coil that is more reliable than the others? Is a hotter coil better? What are the pros and cons of a hotter coil? Appreciate your recommendations on what and where to buy. Thanks.




You didn't mention whether your car is 6 or 12 volts.

The pertronix 40111 is a 1.5 ohm epoxy coil. so,
6v; no resistor
12v; resistor needed

Just make coil is installed same as battery polarity.
battery + grd; + coil to points
battery - grd; - coil to points

jthomas6 05-24-2017 08:39 AM

Re: Need a New Coil
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikeinnj (Post 1476618)
Can that coil be used on with 6 volt original points style ignition or only on the Pertronics unit?

They say their oil filled coil is available in both 1.5 ohm and 3.0 ohm versions, with either oil-filled coil.

What is the difference in the vibration resistant epoxy version regarding it's ohm's rating ?? And is any of this necessary in a Model A ?

Yes, mine is 6 volt, positive ground, original points style ignition. Quoting from Patrick L who just posted:
"The pertronix 40111 is a 1.5 ohm epoxy coil. so,
6v; no resistor
12v; resistor needed"
Joe

SeaSlugs 05-24-2017 12:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg (Post 1476590)
I'd fill the crack with super glue and give it a try.

Be sure the first thing to go on each post is an insulating washer.

agreed, I have a coil with 1000 rust pit holes in it and Ive seen one way worse where the outer case had a good 1/4 of the top half rusted away still tests great and produces a nice hot blue spark on the coil tester.

Ronald 05-25-2017 10:29 PM

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If you are using a 6 volt system then a 6 or 12 volt coil will do , no resister required . But if using a 12 volt system then a resister is required.

Y-Blockhead 05-25-2017 11:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronald (Post 1477604)
If you are using a 6 volt system then a 6 or 12 volt coil will do , no resister required . But if using a 12 volt system then a resister is required.

If you have 12v, use the Pertronix 40611 3 ohm coil. No resistor needed as it has an internal resistor. It is epoxy filled.

Mike V. Florida 05-26-2017 12:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg (Post 1476590)
I'd fill the crack with super glue and give it a try.

Be sure the first thing to go on each post is an insulating washer.

I would go one step further and clean out the crack as it may contain material that will still allow the spark to follow the path.

Anteek29 05-26-2017 12:49 AM

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Prior owner of that coil may have had a problem with it...just be aware it may fail at some point due to that crack.


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