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Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Seems to me the 47 two ton I recently sold had the rings without the split. They went on and off because there is a partial cut-out on the retainer lip. I know you cant mix rings and wheels. What is the lug pattern on a '32 big truck? I feel like I used a tonner wheel (5 on 6 7/8") for a roller on my '32, but that was at least 25 years ago...... Have fun at Thrashermans!
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Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Take a break (a short one) and visit your other ole iron hobby. The wheel thing will sort itself out as word gets around. You should be able to find what you want somewhere in your neck of the woods. Otherwise we can look here in California where everything is. I will call a friend here in Ventura area who has a yard full of '32 trucks and buildings full of parts (car and Truck) He has big trucks, little trucks, long and short panels and even roadster pickups. The only part that stumped him was a rear bumper for a 32 sedan delivery, (David will appreciate that).
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Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck I have to see that yard!
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Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Love your truck and this thread! It sure got in the right hands. I 2nd at least pulling the pan. The last 3 engines that had not been run for years of course has the 1 1/2" of the sludge and the killer is the moisture and acids that eats at the pickup tube and pan.
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Yes I may be interested in those rings. I will send you a P.M. Trying to evaluate several possible options that will be safe and effective too. Regards, Chris |
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Steve, Thanks for your positive comments and suggestions. When I do get time to work on the engine I believe I will remove it and do a through exam and clean up. Much easier to do if it is out I believe. Regards, Chris |
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I did make two other contacts today in my travels that may have some lock rings. And with KDL thats 3, so yes I will Attempt to be patient. I did bring the tires home today. So I have the 6.00-20 Firestone style tires, tubes and flaps. That may be a little premature, but I think a tire in the hand is better than two on the internet! Rims will be cleaned ( sandblasted ) and evaluated again when cleaned of rust and scale. The lock rings will be cleaned and reviewed too. https://i.imgur.com/8kUi6JD.jpg https://i.imgur.com/hrgi227.jpg Thanks you for your work on this old wheel issue, that may help a lot! I would really like to use the old wheels on this truck! But I also would it like to be safe too! Regards, Chris |
Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Folks,
The Waseon show is always great! We had warm sunny weather with a nice breeze! Looked at lots of tractors, Steam engines, Doodle bugs, and trucks! I would recommend this show to anyone! https://i.imgur.com/DKwHu7g.jpg https://i.imgur.com/yUwSvK7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/o2VD60x.jpg Thanks to Jim from Bugs & Tugs for the pictures. Yea that's me in the AC shirt. Regards, Chris |
Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Barn folks,
Well I will visit a local shop that has worked on these old rims and locks tomorrow and get some lessons. Also talked to Stu (truckdog) and he viewed the pictures of the lock rings and felt they could be reworked gently and would work. So that's the plan. I am needle scaling all the big chunks off. A very light sanding of the lock ring feature. Lots of needle scaling on the rim groove. I was able to gently tweak the one ring that was distorted, back very close to the others. Will try to gently compress the rings to bring them back to near original shapes. I think I will paint the inside of the rim and lock ring with POR? Called several local sandblasters and they could not get to this custom work for a month or two. So I am going to descale clean and paint them. Late night with the 32, much to do! https://i.imgur.com/Fs96BPI.jpg Got all the lock rings cleaned and ready for tuning. https://i.imgur.com/gvyTku1.jpg one rim is done, 6 more to work on! https://i.imgur.com/Htp3kVa.jpg Regards, Chris |
Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Nice work! Love it.
Treat the rust with ospho after cleaning all the big stuff off. Or whatever rust convertor. (acid etch convertor) and spray it with an epoxy. Oshpo is just a lite 15% phosphoric solution (also in coke-cola) used for marine paint prep mostly. Converts lite rust to a neutral state and leaves a lite coat for flash rust if you blast it. Por15 is a good product remove all oil and etch if you do that. It's what they recommend also. Coker has tube liners if your are worried about the surface on the tube. or a round of duct tape. |
Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Tinker,
Folks, Thanks for the hints on the rust conversion, and coating. They will get something. Using my current method of cleaning, I should be able to keep the original look of the wheels to match the truck. I have the tubes and flaps from Lucas. Coker and Miller did not have them. Should have some additional wheel updates tonight. Keeping my fingers crossed! I have done repair work on almost every tractor tire rim on my 4 tractor refurb projects. and these truck rims look WAY better than tractor rims. I have sectioned, widened and repaired about a dozen I think? Trying to block that out of my mind right now:) Its a lot of work to get these units back on there feet. Also some dollars leave the old wallet in a hurry too. But that is one of my pet peeves I go after the brakes, tires and lights on almost every project I start. I guess those are all safety related items. It comes from growing up on the farm with no brakes and no lights ?:) Some non related rim work: 28 inch tractor rims. These are Case combine rims split to make wider for new rubber. https://i.imgur.com/GCT0Jjl.jpg 5 inch band of 1/8 steel added to make 15 inch wide rim: https://i.imgur.com/GqHiObN.jpg?1 The primed view: https://i.imgur.com/WWoxINq.jpg Some pretty: https://i.imgur.com/mzP2VSb.jpg New rubber: https://i.imgur.com/iDK8t0g.jpg Allis WZ' in its work clothes with new 14.9-28s on rear. https://i.imgur.com/5UOdNzy.jpg Hope its ok to post some stuff about no Ford stuff that I have. If not let me know please. Off to play in the big sandbox! Regards, Chris |
Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck It is all related knowledge and while I'll never own a tractor or big BB truck, I find your photos and text interesting and informative.
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Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Hey Chris, just out of curiosity, do you start with flat 1/8" plate? Do you have a roller of some sort to create the necessary arc? Was wondering how you managed to get just the radius you needed. Nice work by the way!
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Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck David,
I never thought I would own a Truck like this also. Just happened. Be prepared!:) Bored&Stroked, I started with a 5 inch strip of flat stock. I set two heavy metal saw horses about 4 inches apart. Spanned the gap with the steel. Picked up the 2 lb hammer and went to work "blacksmithing" a ring of steel. I calculated the length, but left the stock just little longer for trimming. I have done three sets like this for new tires. Most of the rims also had some rust out due to calcium leakage. I met with friend Chuck a old school mechanic that felt all the wheel components will be able to be used. But he did suggest a added safety precaution. That would be to weld a nut or spacer on each side of the split on the lock rings. Then add a bolt to draw the lock ring into the home position. while airing up with chains and or cage. I have a little more clean up to do the assure the groove in the wheel is clean. I will start to look at that feature. So At this point I am more confident to go ahead with the rim cleaning. Regards, Chris |
Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Chris
The skills and knowledge shown in your work suggest you attended FFA classes in high school. Bruce |
Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Bruce,
No I attended about 2 months and realized I was learning more on the farm from Dad and Grandpa than in that class. We never had much and had to make something out of nothing most of the time as kids. Working on the farms for 40 years you pick up a few things. Folks, Update on the wheels and lock rings. Started trying to come up with a way to squeeze these rings to get them back round and close together at the seam. It is a process that you need to "feel" somewhat as you apply the pressure. I also removed the offset twist by stretching them apart until they laid flat on the work table. Drew a chalk line around the perimeter of a rim to have a guide line for the shape of the lock ring too. This is the tooling and method. Pipe clamp had just enough stroke to compress the lock ring just enough to start to bring it back. Several applications at strategic points. Its all about the tooling!: https://i.imgur.com/Q3DVwcM.jpg You can see it is squezzed a couple inches past the joint, then will spring back. https://i.imgur.com/Q0ZhhBF.jpg Here is one of the 7 that came out tight. most have 1/2 inch gap that can easily be moved together. https://i.imgur.com/kfLrDkJ.jpg This is the stack of 7 lock rings. I think I am going to put these together without the nuts welded and bolt holding them at the joint: https://i.imgur.com/Z0r6Qfr.jpg Next to work on the rims, needle scaling and very light grinding to clean up the groove area. May pick up a quart of POR for the inside of the rims and lock ring. Heard a lot about it, never used it? Regards, Chris |
Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Farmers fix things. Can't wait around all day. Nice work.
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Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Chris, Good on You!!!! The school of Life teaches more than any college and degree or diploma on the wall. Old fashioned common sense and practical use of basic tools can get the job done today just as when these old trucks and cars were new 90 years ago. Thanks for continuing to post your progress for us and God Speed you'll have it running this summer.
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Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Tinker, Al, Ford Folks,
Thanks for the support! That is also some of the reason I know these forums work for me and my projects. I get the ideas and an occasional jump start to get out there and do something! The more I work on this 32, I realized that similar to other machines of that time they were designed and built so that most folks could actually work on them. As compared to my newer truck where there are too many electronics and gizmos to go wrong or need serious dealer/ technician shop time. May have some basic questions about engine stuff soon. like this ok now!:) easier to pull just the engine? Pull engine and transmission? Leave engine in place and pull head and pan? Gaskets? Regards, Chris |
Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck With its closed center cross member, pulling the engine and transmission together is the only realistic option unless you can do everything that you want to do by removing the cylinder head and oil pan (a project in itself given the V-shaped front axle radius rod(s) beneath the pan interfering with the pan's removal). Snyder's has all the gaskets you will need. I recommend that you rebuild the oil pump while you have the oil pan off (again, Snyder's has what you'll need). Both the rod and main bearings are poured and machined babbitt, not insert and hopefully all remain within specification. Given your engine number, it will likely not have the later counterbalanced crankshaft (unless the original was replaced along the way), which you might consider if you have to have any of the bearings re-poured and machined.
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Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck David,
Dang was hoping for some Ford transition year improvements! Like the balanced crank shaft. Thanks for the warning. My plan is to have this opened to do a review. But I do know how this slippery slope goes on these projects! You pull the engine and then will be working on the tail lights!:) Oil pump, yes understand! I did not do that on a Allis engine and had to pull it again and go through it. My friend John said he would come and help remove the "B" engine. I will evaluate the transmission removal combo. Since he is a Model A guru that should help a bunch too. Not sure how the frame and commercial configuration is compared to a car?? Used a dremel and sanding sleeves to remove the slight ridge in the axle where the old worn out seal had worn into it. Better that what it was smoothed out. I did price a speedia sleeve. it was about $50. I have install them before, this one would be a challenge because it is at the back end of the shaft near the base. https://i.imgur.com/OTz3kCb.jpg I got the seals installed in the rear inner drums, after packing the bearings. The red is the seal. Filled the spring side with grease then used my all-thread contraption with a set of plates and spacers to pull the seals into the home position. Crude but effective! Bearings in, ready for the seal. Thease are 4 inch o.d. 2.875 i.d. x .40 inches thick, from Snyder's https://i.imgur.com/BpF6nus.jpg Seal started: https://i.imgur.com/t5n2JaW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/9AqQNnR.jpg The set up for holding the drum. https://i.imgur.com/7Gjssxl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/M7u6J1y.jpg Seal tucked in with snap ring in position: https://i.imgur.com/J6DvXzV.jpg Drivers side done. Also completed the Passengers side. Just will need to do final brake tuning. https://i.imgur.com/OB3A9gp.jpg Regards, Chris |
Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Chris,
One of the advantages of a '32 BB over the '33-'34 versions is the high degree of commonality they share with the passenger cars and commercial vehicles starting with the cab, firewall, hood, radiator shell, radiator, and your left front fender, etc. Of course the chassis is unique, but the components involved in removing the engine and transmission are similar, just larger. The four-cylinder engine/transmission assembly is a tight squeeze exiting and entering the engine compartment. Hopefully you have one of the attachments for your chain fall that permits you to vary the angle of that which you are lifting as that makes the job a lot easier. The crank pulley is cast iron and far from chip proof so be extra careful when clearing the upside-down U-bolts on top of the highest point of the front cross member which retain the front spring beneath. |
Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck David,
Yes I do have a engine leveler too. Will watch the pulley. Thanks for the heads up on that. The next few days I am going to try to get the rims ready for tires. Have decided to clean the inside portion and paint with Rustoelum 2X flat black primer. Recommended by John the "A" guy. Sounds good to me, so picked up 4 cans of that today at Wally world. No work on the 32 this p.m. as I helped shock barley at our club grounds. then hauled a Allis D17 to the daughters for her to use for brush hoging work on her farm. https://i.imgur.com/Ou3joid.jpg https://i.imgur.com/tLp81Cr.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8M71fbf.jpg Regards, Chris |
Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck It's been a long time since I saw a working grain binder. Not exactly pleasant memories.It was my job growing up to grease and oil, install the canvas aprons , load the binder twine and thread the needle. As to shocking that was an all day job in the field, hot sweaty & itchey. Ah, the good old days. Really like your truck.
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Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Folk,
Laptop is down. Limited usage on my phone. 4 wheels are cleaned and painted. Have appointment next Tuesday to get tires installed on rims. Rain today. Contracted with upholstery guy, Dave to do the three piece seat. Need pictures of your 32 truck back seat fit in! New Snyder springs fit just under the wooden band below the window. Old springs are 2 inches taller? Like the base they my not be original to truck??? Picked a color for material. It's a dark blue almost black called tuxedo blue. Grandson Devin helped pick it out! Matches the color of the exterior nicely. Could have done black but this caught my eye. Have to work on attachment brackets for the seat back. Wait let me ask does your 32 seat back fasten to the wood under the window?? I do need to work on the wood for the seat bases too. Will build two sets. Should have it figured out by then. Pictures will be lagging due to computer issues, sorry. Hope things are good in Ford land! Regards, Chris |
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Chris,
Judging from your earlier photos the seat back was replaced, likely when the bottom cushions were replaced. It appears to be about 2" too high, which is consistent with your comparison with the springs from Snyder's. You can see part of one of the three upper seat back retaining brackets in the photo below. There's three different brackets that catch the bottom edge of the spring that attach to the three wood uprights behind the springs. I'll take a photo of both brackets later today; they are easy to make if missing. I've added another photo showing one of the original lower seat back retaining bracket in place. |
Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck David, folks,
Exactly why I came here. Great information in a timely manner to keep me moving. Ok I had the wrong seats in the truck! Makes perfect sense. I have call into Chris at Snyder's but David have provided details an pictures confirming that both the back and bottom were wrong. Makes me glad a bought all three new from the seat spring experts at Snyder's! Ok I have the bottom brackets in place. Ok I will rework the upper ones to fit the wood and the seat springs and get them attached to the seat springs. Sorry about my lack of pictures right now. May work on the seats a little today. My upholstery guy ask if the trucks had head liners or cardboard around the rear window?? Regards, Chris |
Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck What a great find, I would be excited too. Have fun i will enjoy following this one
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Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Chris,
The original interior was bare of headliner and all other cab upholstery beyond the seats, cowl trim panels, and wind lacing around the doors. |
Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck David, folks,
Thank you. I had that feeling that it was spartan in the cab! One more wheel to clean and prime. Had a very good phone call with Chris from Snyder's today. He is going to build me some custom springs for the truck that will be thinner giving me a couple inches of leg room, and head room too. Plan to exchange mine wit h the new set Friday. Awesome. The cab is pretty tight, so any extra room should be very good! Regards, Chris |
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Regards, Chris |
Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck “ but I think a tire in the hand is better than two on the internet! ”.......something very prophetic in this statement.......Mark
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Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Mark, Folks,
Just a brief update: Worked the wheels in the yard do to the mess made getting the crust off them: It was shady and had a cool breeze too. https://i.imgur.com/jhfXOSL.jpg After clean up I found the garbage can lid was a prefect fit for a mask. https://i.imgur.com/dnjGHe5.jpg https://i.imgur.com/13BKC8R.jpg The lock ring: https://i.imgur.com/MLWf8Jk.jpg Springs: https://i.imgur.com/uzJeOzy.jpg Regards, Chris |
Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Chris:
Looking good; I sand blasted my wheels on '37 1 1/2 ton and painted gloss black (spray can). Bought tires from Coker, 6:50 x 20 and mounted myself( used chain around when inflating and was careful with the splint rim). Used plywood for floor in cab. Made/cut out floor mat out of rubber I got from Lebaron Bonney(before they went belly up) and got "kick panels" from them as well. There was a "map" pouch on passenger side(made out of metal that Macks sell out of Moberly,MO. Henry |
Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Henry, Folks,
Thank you for the tips. I had to resist the urge to clean and paint the entire wheel! That what I usually do when putting on new rubber on anything around here. 7 rims and lock rings ready, https://i.imgur.com/qe37j20.jpg I had help in the shop tonight! Cooper (great grandson) Thought the 32 was pretty nice! https://i.imgur.com/AwHQPM1.jpg Had a chance to clean the radiator cap. Yep it is a EATON! https://i.imgur.com/hC7rGqj.jpg Filled rad with water took about a gallon to top it off. Dont see any leaks https://i.imgur.com/iyIhJFH.jpg Drained the oil in the engine. Well there was sludge at the drain, that I had to poke through. Got it drained and filled the crankcase with kerosene for a day or so. Drained the gas tank, will look at the shut off it was plugged solid. Had about 2 gallons of very clear liquid in the gas tank that that smelled like kerosene? This may have help preserve the inside bottom of the tank??? Regards, Chris |
Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Great stuff!
Only thing I can add is I agree with DavidG on Synders. Good group. Really enjoying the updates! |
Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Tinker,
Thanks! Will pickup the new custom seat springs tomorrow from Snyder's. Here is the material color being ordered for the seats, Tuxedo Blue color: https://i.imgur.com/4PyVV6l.jpg https://i.imgur.com/i2vF7hT.jpg Regards, Chris |
Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Folks,
We swung by Snyders again today. Met with Don Snyder and Chris the seat guy! Bought a gasket kit for the engine, rebuild kit for the zenith carb, rebuild kit for the fuel pump, and repro fuel shut off for gas tank bottom. If those items and some time and elbow grease I may be able to get fuel to the engine. And 3 quarts of 600 wt lube for the transmission. Exchanged the spring seat bases and the seat back for reduced thickness units! Very quick turn around on these for my truck project! A tip of the hat to Chris at Snyder's, I gave each of them a pint of our Maple Syrup for their efforts! Thanks for checking in on me! Tinker , Forgot to mention I have the floor board and the metal cover around the levers and shifter. Also the glove box is intact and is currently holding the insurance I.D.card! Regards, Chris |
Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Ford folks,
Just hanging out and listening to old 60's music which is what I grew up on! Kenny Rodgers What condition my condition is in! Also The band Cripple Creek, and Lovin Spoonful, what memories flash back form those late 60's songs! My 32 was resting in storage waiting to be set free 50 years later! Our triple 'D' thread has reached the magic number of 8266 views. WOW! My wife's birthday is 8-26. I watch numbers! The Deuce serial number missed having her numbers by just one. Close enough for me. I have bought tractors that have her numbers in the casting codes. Ok I am weird! Sorry to digress. Cheryl and I celebrate 50 years this December. Just amazing! Long day, heading out to check on the 32 and try those seat springs from Snyders custom made for this some how special, magic, truck! Just a old truck! Met so many new friends already. Its doing its job! https://i.imgur.com/aCrgndW.jpg Regards, Chris |
Re: 1932 The Deuce, Dually, Dump Truck Folks,
Son Adam sent the dice to me! https://i.imgur.com/KTh8SjO.jpg The springs are different for sure. I think with some minor adjustments to placement and attachment for the seat back they will be great. And they should provide additional leg room in the cab for me too! May adjust the seat base up or the back down just a little to close the gap? Will talk to my upholstery guy (Dave) before I do to much moving of things. Not sure how much material (padding) is added? https://i.imgur.com/ioygBqb.jpg About 1.5 inches of gap at this time https://i.imgur.com/TyhTS4Y.jpg The pieces of plywood just show the gap. https://i.imgur.com/uKh3AYk.jpg Off to try to clean up that zenith carb. Thanks for checking on me! Hope things are good in Ford land too. Regards, Chris |
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