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krzewinskibe 11-02-2016 05:48 PM

Need thoughts...what color is this?
 

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Working on my 1929 Tudor and trying to figure out exactly what color it originally was.

it was repainted some god awful blue at some point in its life, but I found the original color under the carpet which I think should be lower body color. I *think* its Bonnie Grey, however according to the model A Ford Paint and Finish Guide, they ceased using that color in April 1929. This car's serial number (matching frame and engine) indicate an Oct 1929 car.

The corresponding upper body color for Bonnie Grey is supposed to be Chelsea Blue which is very greenish per the paint and finish guide.

Below are pics of the cross brace, an area I sanded in the lower body and what appears to be OEM upper body colors in areas that I sanded on the upper back and the belt.

Can anyone confirm this? Especially since it appears to contradict what is in the paint and finish guide.

Thanks!

floor cross brace:
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attach...1&d=1478126453

Here is a section of the lower body I sanded through the blue and some other areas where the blue repaint peeled:
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attach...1&d=1478126479

Here is the upper back sand through:
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attach...1&d=1478126479

And the belt
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attach...1&d=1478126479

krzewinskibe 11-02-2016 06:02 PM

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According to the book, after April 1929 used the following lower/upper color combos:

vagabond green/rock moss green
rose beige/seal brown
andalusite blue/black
mountain brown/thorne brown
thorne brown/black

none of those make sense with the evidence.

Tom Wesenberg 11-02-2016 06:11 PM

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I bought some original purchase orders from a dealership in New York, and a couple have colors listed that were supposed to have been dropped half a year earlier.

BILL WILLIAMSON 11-02-2016 06:13 PM

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Krze,
Sounds as though you are doing a High Points car, if so, my HAT'S OFF to you!
Bill Semioriginal

krzewinskibe 11-02-2016 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON (Post 1379480)
Krze,
Sounds as though you are doing a High Points car, if so, my HAT'S OFF to you!
Bill Semioriginal

nah...not high points...but looking to take it as close as I can within reason.

Stew Masche 11-03-2016 04:30 PM

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Any trace of original paint under the gas tank? If so, polish it a little, and compare to the refinish guide. Found the original color this way on a 29 Tudor that had been brush painted black many times.

Barber31 11-03-2016 07:45 PM

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Krzwinskie, if you're curious to see what you color combination looks like, there is a 29 Tudor listed on the Austin, Texas craigslist. It has the same combo as yours but doesn't give the name of the colors. Maybe you could contact them to ask if they know the month it was built and if it was original colors.

wrndln 11-03-2016 08:08 PM

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The body crossmember in the first picture looks like Bonnie Gray. I painted my 29 phaeton Bonnie Gray and it looks the same. The secondary color used with Bonnie Gray is Chelsea Blue and used on the raised areas.
Rusty Nelson

Mike V. Florida 11-04-2016 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg (Post 1379477)
I bought some original purchase orders from a dealership in New York, and a couple have colors listed that were supposed to have been dropped half a year earlier.

Did you send copies the standards committee?

Mike V. Florida 11-04-2016 12:21 AM

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Look here;

http://www.autocolorlibrary.com/acl_files/ford1929.html

Tom Wesenberg 11-04-2016 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike V. Florida (Post 1380065)
Did you send copies the standards committee?

No, but they were posted on Fordbarn and Marco and others saw them.

pgerhardt 11-04-2016 09:14 AM

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My 29 Tudor is also an April car and the body and belt colors look like vagabond and rock moss green to me. Here are some pictures of mine so you can see what it would look like if you go with those colors.

BILL WILLIAMSON 11-04-2016 10:09 PM

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On race cars, GREEN used to be considered BAD LUCK!
Bill Blue

mshmodela 11-05-2016 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by pgerhardt (Post 1380168)
My 29 Tudor is also an April car and the body and belt colors look like vagabond and rock moss green to me. Here are some pictures of mine so you can see what it would look like if you go with those colors.

BEAUTIFUL Color and car!

pgerhardt 11-05-2016 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON (Post 1380573)
On race cars, GREEN used to be considered BAD LUCK!
Bill Blue

"British Racing Green"?

ian Simpson 11-05-2016 11:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON (Post 1380573)
On race cars, GREEN used to be considered BAD LUCK!
Bill Blue

Except for British Racing Green.

Whoops - too late

Gary Karr 11-05-2016 01:30 PM

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krzewinskibe, I agree with Rusty in that it looks like Bonnie Gray to me. Here is a picture of my early Feb '29 Tudor in those colors.

hazelhoff 11-05-2016 03:07 PM

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Looks like the car was stripped to the bare metal. Then reprayed. Floor part looks like gunmetal ble

pgerhardt 11-05-2016 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Karr (Post 1380749)
krzewinskibe, I agree with Rusty in that it looks like Bonnie Gray to me. Here is a picture of my early Feb '29 Tudor in those colors.

I did some work in Photoshop to compare the colors. The body color (cross member) could be Bonnie Gray (but is a little too blue). but the belt line color is definitely Rock Moss Green. If you could sand a bit more of the body preserving the green. Then just before taking another picture, wipe the area with a damp cloth. that would give us something more to work with.

hazelhoff 11-06-2016 08:24 AM

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Guys be real !

This is supposed to be a late '29. Check the body date stamp ! My guess is the engine was replaced.....

Henk


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