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F 150 OD trans Is there anybody who makes a kit to install the 150 OD transmission without butchering the cross member?
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Re: F 150 OD trans Dave Delmue makes a complete kit that keeps everything original.
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Re: F 150 OD trans The Ranger 4speed install by Dave Delume works great and does not alter the frame. It does require a AA clutch housing and the driveshaft and housing are shortened about an inch or so. I really like mine in my 31 wide bed.
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Re: F 150 OD trans Dave was in San Jose, Ca. (try his address ,modelaonly.com) and supposedly isn't providing the 1980's F150 setups any longer. Some have posted elsewhere that the 4 speed blocks any venting of the torque tube or rear end, etc. Also, his mod's require changes to the foot pedals mounting, shifter relocation and possibly the speedo calibration.
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Re: F 150 OD trans Dave Delmue
[email protected] 408-722-2518 He is still making the F150 kits. (Just finished # 189) His kits include everything to make it a complete "bolt in" operation, including the pedals and parking brake. Shifter is moved back about an inch or so, requiring slight modification to the wood floorboard. No other mods to the frame or other metal parts. Looks stock in the cockpit when installed. No changes to the speedometer calibration since that doesn't change. I have had his transmission in my pickup now for about 6 years, 15,000+ miles. Love it! (modelaonly.com no longer works) |
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Re: F 150 OD trans The torque tube, drive shaft, and radius rods all have to be shortened about an inch or so. All that is included in Dave’s kit.
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Re: F 150 OD trans Thanks Carl. I was looking at getting a Mitchell O/D but now my transmission is acting up. It sounds like a better option for me to go with the F-150 O/D.
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Re: F 150 OD trans Shoot him an email.
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Re: F 150 OD trans Will do!
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Re: F 150 OD trans I have had Daves kit for 10 years and 25,000 Mi. It is bolt in and he provides all the parts. I love it. It is quite a bit of work, but he answered aLL my questions as it went along.
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Re: F 150 OD trans I have 4,000 miles on Daves kit and I could not be happier. His kit is first class and includes everything, and looks stock when completed.
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Re: F 150 OD trans For those of you who can't afford the $3800.00 for Dave Delume's F150 4 speed kit and have good mechanical ability, there is an another option. Mac's speed Shop in New Zealand offers a bell housing and rear adapter plate for the F150 transmission that really cuts down on the amount of machining that needs to be done. The costs are $465 and $175 respectively plus shipping. The transmission output shaft needs to be shortened, but that can be sent out to Moser Engineering in Portland, IN. The easy part of the build in shortening the driveshaft, torque tube and radius rods. Your cost will be thousands less the Dave's kit.
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Re: F 150 OD trans Following Al’s rational reminded me of an old legal saying: When a lawyer represents himself in a legal action he has a fool for a client. I feel the same way when getting into things I know nothing about. Leave the technical stuff to the experts who have had the experience and have hundreds of times refining the process.
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Re: F 150 OD trans Carl, to convert the F150 transmission into a unit that with work in the Model A is not rocket science. Anyone with the equipment (lathe and milling machine) and the technical ability can do this conversion. I did my own conversion 12 years and 15,000 miles ago for much less money then the two vendors were charging at that time. Now, the needed machining is now much less if you use Mac's rear adapter plate and bell housing. Dave Delume makes a fine kit, but $3800 is $3800. Better in my pocket then his.
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Re: F 150 OD trans I received this from Mac's in NZ. Note that the prices are in US $.
Hi Chris, I assume you have a non World Class T5? Will need to know Ford 123mm or GM 119mm front spigot T5. Prices as follows in US $. MSSC01 or 02 adaptor $ 465.00 MSSG09 release bearing kit $ 115.00 (only if using diaphragm p/plate) MSSG02 stock release brg sleeve $ 40.00 10" special offset clutch plate $ 175.00 10" diaphragm style p/plate $ 175.00 Postage and insurance bellhousing and release bearing $ 240.00 Postage and insurance clutch p/plate $ 135.00 As far as the centre cross member goes I think a small notch is required to clear the shifter tower. I currently have adapters and all parts in stock. Let me know if I can supply any or all of what you require. Thanks Graeme I am still going to search for options so I won't have to modify the cross member. |
Re: F 150 OD trans Mac's Speed Shop web site. http://www.macsspeed.com/index.php/p...h-drive-detail I am assuming prices are not US$$.
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Re: F 150 OD trans The original post is about an F150 transmission. The post regarding adapter parts from Macs may be a bit misleading. The Mac adapter is for T-5's and those are different from the F150. Perhaps the adapter will work for both but that isnt indicated on the Mac website.
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Re: F 150 OD trans What are the ratios in the F150 coghouse? I wouldn't be interested unless top is about 26% O/D. I assume the T5 has a top gear that is an O/D. True/false?
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Re: F 150 OD trans Syncro, I assume you are refering to OD ratios.
Depends on which engine was underthe hood. The 302 c i engine had the 26.7% ratio, which in Ford terms was .78 to 1 ratio. The L-6 (6 cyl) engine had the 37.9% ratio (.72 to 1 ratio) and the 41.1% ratio (.71 to 1) The large V-8 (large at that time period) had the 41%. The ratio of OD was directly related to the torque put out by the enging rather than its HP. In the 20 years I built these OD kits I only built two that did not have the 26.7% OD. Both were 37%. One was used in my speedster due to its beter first and second gear ratio and the other in now in my frieds Tudor. know nuttin about the T5, cept I dont want one. kenp |
Re: F 150 OD trans Also , if using the F150 or other setup, check the caster angle at the axle (4-5 deg per later Ford service specs) with the AA housing and if Float A Motor mounts. The radius ball clamp may need some fine tuning.
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Re: F 150 OD trans Klaworkvet, to answer your question about F150 Tremec RTS 4 spd OD parts available from Mac's Speed Shop in New Zealand .... Yes they do make a bell housing and a rear adapter plate for the F150 conversion. Please see the email reply below:
Subject: Mac's Speed Shop: F150 Trans to Model A 4 cylinder engine Priority: Normal Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 12:55 AM Size: 5 KB Hi Albert, you are correct these parts are for the Ford Tremec RTS 3+1 overdrive and NOT the S10 t-5 trans. Cheers Graeme -----Original Message----- From: alberry Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2019 2:57 p.m. To: Graeme McNeil Subject: Re: Mac's Speed Shop: F150 Trans to Model A 4 cylinder engine Greame, the parts you listed below, are they for the Tremec RTS 4 spd OD transmission or they they for the T5 S10 Brazer 5 spd transmission? I couple of people are questioning me about the use of those two parts..................AL Berry in Newburgh, NY ---- Graeme McNeil <[email protected]> wrote: ============= Hi Albert, prices as follows in US$. I prefer pay-pal for payment. MSSC01 model A-B to Ford $465.00 MSSG06 Torque tube adaptor $175.00 International Courier 2-6 days $240.00 This includes Insurance Total US$880.00 |
Re: F 150 OD trans Hmmmm...... $900 and the work has only begun.
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Re: F 150 OD trans Chris, RE your May 2010 post:
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Re: F 150 OD trans I did the F150 conversion 2 years & 3200 miles ago using Mac’s Speed bell housing & rear adapter.With this setup it was 3&5/64 inches longer. I had to remove just a small amount of the cross member front lip.I liked having the pedal shaft mounted like original.A friend of mine has a 31 PU he had installed the Mitchell overdrive,after driving my Fordor he wished he had the F150.
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Re: F 150 OD trans Royb: Ten years ago I did my own F150 build/install using the AA bellhousing. I had to shorten the input shaft 5/8" to get the Tremec RTS to fit the AA bellhousing. You used the Mac's bellhousing. Did you have to shorten the input shaft? Just curious because Mac's parts would make the install much easier for the do-it-yourselver
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Re: F 150 OD trans The Tremec T170 RTS is getting harder and harder to find in good condition. No new gears are available that I'm aware of. Most of the guys that deal with them hoard the parts for their kits. If a person goes looking for one, you have to know the two letter alpha code for the one you want and hope that it hasn't been abused.
These units were built for Ford by Tremec down in Mexico and they haven't been producing them for a long time. They will get harder to source parts for as the years go by unless someone starts fabricating new hard parts for them. |
Re: F 150 OD trans You do not have to shorten the input shaft with the Mac’s. bell housing just the output shaft.My 30 fordor was bought in the late 30’s by my Grandpa, my dad purchased it from him & I purchased it from him in 1971.it was original until 3 years ago when I restored it.I located 2 of the RTS BV trans to modify because I have 1 son & 2 grandsons to enjoy the car for years to come.
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Re: F 150 OD trans Al, I used the information from your post on shortening the driveshaft & torque tube ,Thanks it was very helpful.Also I would like to thank Ken Parker for his input over the phone with me, it helped even though he had never used that bell housing. This a great site with great minds to help solve problems.
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Re: F 150 OD trans Word of advice since I’m putting the f150 Tran in my coupe right now.
Using the Mac’s bellhousing you will need to get a lightened flywheel or machine the steps out of the side of the flywheel and the mill the front face flat of the flywheel. Basically just buy a v8 clutch setup with lightened flywheel to make it easy. Cross member will need the a little cutting on the front side but it’s not that tragic. Everything actually clears the mechanical brake cross bar so that’s a plus since my car is still mech brakes. Cutting the torque tube, driveshaft and radius arms are easy. Total out of my car using the Mac’s bell was 3.5”. At the moment I’m dealing with moser engineering on splining the shaft of the transmission. They have no recollection of doing these for others in the past. Mine is going out tomorrow to them but I’m sure they will be calling me again since I just walked the guy through what I needed and emailed detailed pictures. Just my $0.02 from a 32 year old. :) |
Re: F 150 OD trans Royb; That's what I thought about using the Mac's flywheel, no need to shorten the input shaft. That's the extra 5/8" in the overall length. Thanks for the good words. I'm glad I was able to help.
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Re: F 150 OD trans "At the moment I’m dealing with moser engineering on splining the shaft of the transmission. "They have no recollection of doing these for others in the past."
I don't understand this. I just got two of them back last week from Moser. And I have had a couple others done in past few years. They cut them to length, splined and drilled/tapped the end for the u-joint. I send them a Model A rear transmission shaft and a u-joint to use as reference/guide. Never had any problem getting them to do it or with their work. They can no longer spline the drive shaft because it is too long for their equipment. |
Re: F 150 OD trans MAG. The gentleman I spoke to (Colton) from moser said he showed the machinist there and said yea he can do it but I don’t know how he seemed like I was asking for something so crazy. Hopefully they can get it done after they see what’s in the box. I too sent the old model a shaft and u-joint so when the machinist sees everything it should click in his head.
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Re: F 150 OD trans John, they told me about a month ago that they could no longer spline a Model A drive shaft due to its length. He (Mike or Mark?)said they changed their equipment recently and the drive shaft is too long to fit in their machine. They have done them for me in the past. Might be best to check before sending them one. Had mine shortened, re-tappered, and key slot cut on the pinion end.
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