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skidmarks 01-31-2019 10:51 AM

12 colors available in 1940
 

Listed are the 12 color options for 1940 fords....Colors included Acadia Green, Black, Claret Maroon, Cloud Mist Gray, Como Blue, Cotswold Gray, Folkstone Gray, Garnet Maroon, Lyon Blue, Mandarin Maroon, Sahara Sand and Yosemite Green.

Was white ever an option? My guess is no other then maybe a fleet repaint for a business

Could anything be ordered in a color other the the 12 listed from a dealer in 1940?

Kube 01-31-2019 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by skidmarks (Post 1722019)
Listed are the 12 color options for 1940 fords....Colors included Acadia Green, Black, Claret Maroon, Cloud Mist Gray, Como Blue, Cotswold Gray, Folkstone Gray, Garnet Maroon, Lyon Blue, Mandarin Maroon, Sahara Sand and Yosemite Green.

Was white ever an option? My guess is no other then maybe a fleet repaint for a business

Could anything be ordered in a color other the the 12 listed from a dealer in 1940?

I'm not certain where you obtained your list from. I'm guessing a color chip page?
Be aware that many of the colors you've listed were NOT 1940 Ford.
And no, white was not offered.

skidmarks 01-31-2019 12:03 PM

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That's was just a google search. I never seen a white one and figured that it wasnt available.

Do you have a correct list of the available colors?

19Fordy 01-31-2019 12:06 PM

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"Kube" hit a homerun. Plus, I am pretty sure some 2 tone colors were available on some cars late in the year. I have seen photos of coupes with Folkstone Grey body with what looks like maroon color fenders. Like this:
https://www.google.com/search?q=were...ArBkYpGs4R1WM:

skidmarks 01-31-2019 12:17 PM

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So you could get custom color options on commercial vehicles but not passanger cars

philipswanson 01-31-2019 12:28 PM

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Is there a good (accurate) color chart on line for the 40?

19Fordy 01-31-2019 12:39 PM

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Apparently so, as suggested in The V-8 Album above. I bet "Kube" knows for sure.

Kube 01-31-2019 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by skidmarks (Post 1722062)
So you could get custom color options on commercial vehicles but not passanger cars

I have never seen one bit of documentation that might even suggest you could get custom colors on passenger vehicles.

Kube 01-31-2019 01:04 PM

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1940 Fords were offered in a number of colors. The DeLuxe models were available in Black, Lyon Blue, Folkestone Gray, Mandarin Maroon, Cloud Mist Gray and Yosemite Green through the entire production. In April, 1940 a “Spring Color”, Garnet Maroon, became available for the DeLuxe models. Wheels were painted to match body color on all DeLuxe models.
The Ford V8 models were available in Black, Lyon Blue and Cloud Mist Gray through the entire production. Wheels were painted black on all Ford V8 models. However, as an extra cost option, the wheels could have been painted Lyon Blue or Cloud Mist Gray, to match the body color.
DeLuxe colors, with the exception of Garnet Maroon were available on the Ford V8 models as an extra cost option.
Domestic branches were advised by telegram on May 1, 1940 that special color combinations were being furnished. It appears these combinations were available on both the DeLuxe models as well as the Ford V8 models. Introduced at this time was an additional paint color, Acadia Green, offered only as part of a combination.
Combinations offered were:
Folkestone Gray body with Black fender and grille sides.
Folkestone Gray body with Mandarin Maroon fenders and grille sides.
Mandarin Maroon body with Folkestone Gray fenders and grille sides.
Cloud Mist Gray body with Acadia Green fenders and grille sides.
In order to procure one of these specially painted vehicles the following accessories were required to be ordered and installed:
License plate frames, fender shields, fuel tank locking cap, visor vanity mirror, oil bath air filter, oil filter, seat covers or leather upholstery, Ford script white sidewall tires, wheel covers and one or two outside mirrors.

Joe31 01-31-2019 01:15 PM

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I have 2 color charts for ford lincoln mercury 1940. any interest pm me

Anteek29 01-31-2019 01:16 PM

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Kube: Thank you for sharing that comprehensive color info! :)

19Fordy 01-31-2019 01:56 PM

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Yes Kube, Thanks.

DavidG 01-31-2019 04:14 PM

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Mike,


Like yourself, I like to keep things simple when it comes to documentation. But, life is not always simple. I've never looked at any Company letters to the assembly plants after the '39 model year, but in each of the eight preceding model years' letters there is normally a lengthy letter pertaining to paint for fleet customers. In those letters, depending on the size of the fleet, the sky was the limit when it came to paint colors available to fleets, including right down to complete chassis being painted other than black. (The fleet customer could even furnish their own paint subject to its approval for use by Ford engineering.) And those letters also cover cars as well as commercial vehicles and trucks. Further, a fleet was defined as a group of vehicles as low as six in number.



No doubt you've encountered some photos in the archives showing extreme examples of fleet vehicles' paint jobs with colors that in no way came from the list of standard commercial vehicles.


So perhaps we need to leave the door open just a tiny crack in case someone shows up on the concourse with documented proof that their '40 coupe or sedan was originally part of the XYZ Company fleet and painted in the documented company colors, none of which appear on the standard list.

Kube 01-31-2019 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidG (Post 1722165)
Mike,


Like yourself, I like to keep things simple when it comes to documentation. But, life is not always simple. I've never looked at any Company letters to the assembly plants after the '39 model year, but in each of the eight preceding model years' letters there is normally a lengthy letter pertaining to paint for fleet customers. In those letters, depending on the size of the fleet, the sky was the limit when it came to paint colors available to fleets, including right down to complete chassis being painted other than black. (The fleet customer could even furnish their own paint subject to its approval for use by Ford engineering.) And those letters also cover cars as well as commercial vehicles and trucks. Further, a fleet was defined as a group of vehicles as low as six in number.



No doubt you've encountered some photos in the archives showing extreme examples of fleet vehicles' paint jobs with colors that in no way came from the list of standard commercial vehicles.


So perhaps we need to leave the door open just a tiny crack in case someone shows up on the concourse with documented proof that their '40 coupe or sedan was originally part of the XYZ Company fleet and painted in the documented company colors, none of which appear on the standard list.

Dave, I can't bring forward an intelligent argument with you.
I did find documentation that clearly advised fleet colors were available on '40 commercial vehicles. A "fleet" being a minimum of five in 1940.
And yes, I have documents that clearly advise chassis' being painted per the client's desire.
And yes once again, I have and will leave that proverbial door open that maybe, just maybe, a '40 was painted (i.e.) purple at the factory as part of a fleet purchase.
What I won't accept on the concourse (this happened) is a guy claiming that the bright red on his coupe was part of a fleet purchase authentically and as such no deduction should be in order.
While there's a chance that (factory bright red) may have happened, as you know, the proof of such is required at the time of judging - the burden upon the owner.

Tinker 02-01-2019 12:36 AM

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Wimbledon didn't start till the 60's (which was a off white). Cream colors as far as I know and prefer.

So ford did custom colors to order in 1940? I know they list colors that are only highlights and pins. So could you order a car with a pinstripe paint color?


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Tinker 02-01-2019 12:44 AM

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This is every color from 1928-36. Including accent colors. 1937 on..no idea. curious.


https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...1&d=1548999834

1931 flamingo 02-01-2019 02:40 PM

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I'd love to see a picture of the visor vanity mirror.............
Paul in CT

Ken/Alabama 02-01-2019 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 1931 flamingo (Post 1722442)
I'd love to see a picture of the visor vanity mirror.............
Paul in CT

This is the one in my 39 Zephyr but it's the same as Ford.

1931 flamingo 02-02-2019 09:09 AM

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Thanks Ken.
Paul

Brant 05-22-2019 02:11 PM

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As the OP mentions, Como Blue is often mentioned in various online sources as being an original color on a 1940 Ford.

According to other posters here, Como Blue was not a '40 Ford color.

Was Como Blue a Mercury only color? If so, was it only used in 1940?

Thank you.

Kube 05-22-2019 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Brant (Post 1760287)
As the OP mentions, Como Blue is often mentioned in various online sources as being an original color on a 1940 Ford.

According to other posters here, Como Blue was not a '40 Ford color.

Was Como Blue a Mercury only color? If so, was it only used in 1940?

Thank you.

Como Blue was NEVER a '40 Ford color.

One must be very diligent when it comes to choosing a color if authenticity is critical.
That chart in post #16 is a huge example of incorrect data being turned out to the public. I know of at least one law suit brought on due to a person choosing a '40 Ford color from that chart only to find it was not.
Kind of late in the game to discover you'd already painted your car the wrong color.

19Fordy 05-22-2019 05:24 PM

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Yes, that's the mirror. My 40 came with one just like that.
It was an accessory and cost 70 cents.
Available 1938-41
The little" cluster design" screws and nuts are very rare. Cost 6 cents new.

glennpm 05-24-2019 06:40 AM

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This may help someone in the future. Note that black is missing.


Glenn

Kube 05-24-2019 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by glennpm (Post 1760881)
This may help someone in the future. Note that black is missing.


Glenn

Glenn, This may also hinder folks. Sahara Tan was never an offering in '40.

glennpm 05-24-2019 08:33 AM

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Oh well, thanks for the correction Kube.


Glenn

deuce_roadster 05-24-2019 08:44 AM

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I think too many of those lists have Ford, Lincoln and Mercury colors all together as colors available in 1940 by Ford Motor Company but not necessarily only Ford.

V8COOPMAN 10-02-2021 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kube (Post 1722233)
And yes once again, I have and will leave that proverbial door open that maybe, just maybe, Lumpy's '40 was painted purple at the factory as part of a fleet purchase.


I'd guess that Lumpy's '40 don't count? DD


https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/pictu...ictureid=42775

Tinker 10-02-2021 10:30 PM

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But lumpy was lumpy

Tinker 10-02-2021 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kube (Post 1760898)
Glenn, This may also hinder folks. Sahara Tan was never an offering in '40.


Hinder what? You have no idea or set of paint colors to present. Just opinions. Think I at least put up charts. Granted the chart I posted is correct from 29-36. But we will not follow up and bust my balls. Just a chip chart for many yrs. Not 40. Correct me for that. It's almost funny this post is a few yrs old and it didn't go anywhere other then opinion. No paint colors mentioned or defined for 40. Don't fight a battle you have answers or you don't want to share..

Tinker 10-02-2021 11:03 PM

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We share information here Kube. It will never place what you do.

Kube 10-03-2021 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinker (Post 2062702)
Hinder what? You have no idea or set of paint colors to present. Just opinions. Think I at least put up charts. Granted the chart I posted is correct from 29-36. But we will not follow up and bust my balls. Just a chip chart for many yrs. Not 40. Correct me for that. It's almost funny this post is a few yrs old and it didn't go anywhere other then opinion. No paint colors mentioned or defined for 40. Don't fight a battle you have answers or you don't want to share..


Tinker, you are correct in everything you are so willing to share with us here on the Barn.
I want to thank you for your profound grasp upon, well, seemingly, everything.
Your knowledge of 1940 Fords makes mine pale by comparison.
Thank you, thank you, thank you :)

tubman 10-03-2021 11:30 AM

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Did you ever notice that "Tinker" only posts late at night?

DavidG 10-03-2021 12:44 PM

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Tinker,

With respect, the chart of colors that you show is not a Ford document, but rather from Ditzler, a period supplier of paint to Ford and other auto manufacturers. It is not complete and therefore only partially "correct" for 1928-1936. For example, it is missing (so it seems as the captions are out of focus) the '32-'33 commercial colors, Blue rock green and Golden orange, the two late '32 passenger car colors, Emperor brown-light and Emperor brown-dark, and all of the 1936 Spring colors.

Gene F 10-03-2021 02:07 PM

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I always think that any pre-war car in Cloud Mist Gray always seem to look good. Just something about that color.

Kube 10-04-2021 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tubman (Post 2062860)
Did you ever notice that "Tinker" only posts late at night?

Dennis, I heard that he is or maybe was an English Professor at the local college.

kirkf 01-28-2022 11:44 AM

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Does anyone have an accurate colour chart to post for 1940?
I can find 20 different charts online and they are all different.

Also were the colours used available on standard/deluxe and pickup or not?

I see people putting up pictures of folkstone grey, and they look tan to me.
Under the hood of my 40 pickup there is original grey paint, and it is grey with a slight tinge of green. There is no tan in it.

Until i saw all the tan colour pictures of folkstone grey I just assumed the grey was as described. Grey with a tiny hint of green.


Any input is appreciated.

Kirk

mercurycyclone 01-28-2022 02:05 PM

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I have a 1934 Ford Truck dealer Book and it has a photo showing five trucks and cars from a fleet purchase? See attached the photo is part of the book.

Holeshot 01-28-2022 03:14 PM

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Then, just like now, if you had the money, just about anything could of been done. Just cause it isn't listed on some old papers or in a book doesn't necessarily mean it did not happen.

gajeepguy 01-28-2022 03:44 PM

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There is a photo of a yellow 1940 sedan on the assembly line. I have the photo on my phone but don't know how to print it here. Anybody know the photo?

mercurycyclone 01-28-2022 04:25 PM

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I have attached the Special Paint Request page out of the 1934 Ford Truck Dealer book and notice it does include passenger cars and less than 5 if you want to pay an up charge. I know this is not 1940 rules but I find it hard to believe that the rules would have changed much. See attached.


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