Fan Belt Speed (pulley ratios) Greetings,
I am working on a 29 and and when it came to me it had a 1/2" belt which sits lower in the pulleys. When I replaced it with a 5/8" (standard Model A) it rubs the radiator inlet hose so I put back a 1/2" belt. The question is can anyone tell me since the belt sits lower in all of the pulleys is the fan speed unchanged, faster or slower? I do have an over heating problem which I think is actually a new (used) radiator but the fan speed question bugs me. Thanks |
Re: Fan Belt Speed (pulley ratios) I put a smaller pulley on the crank and a larger pulley on the pump... custom made, slows down the water pump....but make sure your radiator is good and clean first.
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Re: Fan Belt Speed (pulley ratios) If the belt is riding equally "lower" in the groove of both pulleys, then there should be no change in fan / pump speed. The effective diameters of both pulleys relative to each other is still the same.
If the belt is touching only on the inside, flat surface of the belt, and not the Vee sides, it might slip on the generator pulley, and if you have to crank the belt tension up to prevent slippage, that could cause accelerated wear on the water pump and generator bearings. Then again, it might be fine. |
Re: Fan Belt Speed (pulley ratios) The fan with the correct belt turns at 1 1/2 times the crankshaft speed, so lowering the belt in each pulley the same amount (lets say 1/4") would increase the fan speed very slightly, but it would be so little that it wouldn't matter. Someone else can do the math.
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Re: Fan Belt Speed (pulley ratios) I still wonder why the belt hits the inlet.
With a good radiator and clean block, the A does not require a water pump. |
Re: Fan Belt Speed (pulley ratios) I've heard of the fan hitting the radiator inlet on a repro, because the neck angles down too much, but I never heard of the belt hitting.
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Re: Fan Belt Speed (pulley ratios) I think the OP is talking of the belt rubbing the inlet right at the radiator outlet. I had that one time and even fitted a smooth metal plate (piece of soft drink can) under the hose clamp to prevent the belt rubbing the hose through while on tour. The final cure was to put on a shorter belt and move the generator/alternator in closer to the motor. That changed the angle of the belt as it came off the crankshaft pulley enough that it missed the hose.
To the OP, I think any change to the fan speed would be so minor that you can forget it and it is not the cause of your overheating. |
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rub the inlet hose. Have you tried a shorter belt? Bob |
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Re: Fan Belt Speed (pulley ratios) My first thought was that the new (used) radiators outlet neck was on an incorrect angle, it is quite difficult to measure as there is no dependable reference surface from which to measure and compare the old one with the new (especially when in the car) one but it doesn't seem to be the problem.
I then realized that if I had the radiator top to far forward (hadn't even tried to put the hood on yet) that would kick up the Inlet. That didn't solve the problem. Then I realized that the rubber pads that the radiator sat on were thicker than they need to be so I replaced them with something only 1/16" thick. Still rubbing. Only changing the belt got me clearance. By the way, the belt is as short as it can be to actually get it onto all 3 pulleys. Also note that the new radiator over heats at long stop signs, further investigation shows that this is why the previous owner sold the thing in the first place (sold directly to the cars owner) Also note the radiator had been sent to a shop for cleaning, painting and general inspection. Looks like their judgement wasn't on target. It has been resolved that a new radiator will be purchased, we'll see how it fits. Thanks Ben |
Re: Fan Belt Speed (pulley ratios) The radiator bottom outlet for 28-9 should point slightly away from the engine, and very slightly downward as I recall. I have an original I can check for the downward part, but it should angle outward for sure.
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Here you can see the original radiator outlet and pipe going to the block.
Does your radiator outlet and pipe have the same angles? |
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Why do you question the quick even heating of the block? I have coolant circulation at all times. |
Re: Fan Belt Speed (pulley ratios) Ben - Are you sure that your timing is set correctly? Retarded timing will cause overheating.
A club member ordered a new radiator last year because of overheating. I reset his timing before he installed it. Overheating problem solved. He sent the radiator back. |
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