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Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour This morning I went out to the garage with the intention of flipping the Columbia over so I could finish painting it. I flipped it and had it resting on some bubble wrap. Started to paint and quickly ran out…:mad: And you guessed it… that was the last of the paint that I had. A quick trip up to the local auto parts store and the problem was solved. Now the Columbia is adorned in nice new paint.:D
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Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour It’s been a bit slow going the last few days as I haven’t had much time available to devote to the Zephyr:( I did however get one of the backing plates cleaned and painted…
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n...012/001-15.jpg http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n...012/002-14.jpg I also was able to clean and paint a few related brake parts.:cool: http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n...012/003-12.jpg |
Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Ok, here's a question for those in the know. I just received two NOS dog bones for the rear shocks on the Lincoln Zephyr. The NOS DB's measure 4" center to center which is what is listed in the LZ parts book however; the DB's I removed are 5" center to center.:confused:
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n...2012/006-7.jpg There are no ID numbers on any of the DB's, so here's my question; what, if any difference will the shorter DB's make, and could it be that convertibles had the longer DB's to compensate for the weight difference? Thanks in advance for any help. Vic |
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Think of it this way with the 4" link on the shock arm will have to come down. now you have more travel up or in reality the body has more travel down. Correct me if I am wrong you have a better chance of BOTTOMING OUT then going over a hill and having day lite under the rear wheel.( or maybe not after riding with you last time LOL LOL ) If the shock has no more movement to go up and the body still wants to come down !!! Well you connect the dots ::::::: SOMIN GONA BRAKE Long Story short My book also says 4" links. |
Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Bill, I found out that the 4" is correct for the '39 LZ. The 5" that I took out was a replacement part. Vic
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Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Kube & Coopman, I was wondering about the castings myself because the rear that came out of the '39 Zephyr and the rear in my '39 Ford CS are both smooth, as is the banjo on the Columbia.:confused: This Columbia came out of a '39 Zephyr Coupe...
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Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour I did some research and found out that Columbia cast the axle housing for the conversion. Obviously Columbia was not as critical as Ford with the castings.:eek:
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I went and looked again (memory isn't what it once was) and both housings on all my cars are smooth, even the Lincoln. |
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I went out and looked at all the housings in my cars (Lincoln and Fords) and found all of them, including the unrestored cars to be smooth. Might just be the photo but it looks like your Columbia housing is pretty decent. I was wondering about the Ford (Lincoln) axle housing. |
Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour I would agree with you, I thought that Columbia only cast the housing that contained the overdrive. I Googled Columbia Axle Co. and found a bunch of info, but could not find anything from the actual Columbia Axle Co. that confirmed that they did the casting. I talked with John Connelly of Columbia two speed Parts, Inc. and he said that Columbia cast the axle housings for the conversion. It's obvious that the Columbia castings are not as nice (smooth) at the FoMoCo axles castings. There is a brass tag on the Columbia that I have with the following info stamped into it. 40-100A-52 No: 8070 Columbia Axle Co.
Apparently the 40 is the year of production and (according to John Connelly) they most likely were installed in late '39 Zephyrs (like cars, they were produced early). If someone ordered a new Zephyr, with a Columbia in '39, the factory installed the unit. Only Lincoln did this, if someone wanted a Columbia in a Ford or Mercury, the dealer did the installation. I'm going to continue my search and see if I can locate some original documentation from Columbia. |
Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour I was talking about the axle housings - not the center section.
I agree with John in regard to the approval of Columbia's in Fords vs. Lincoln. In the Ford (1940) it was not authorized as many think. |
Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour The center section (on the Columbia) is a Ford produced part, the axle housings, according to John, were produced by Columbia which would account for the difference in the finish (not as smooth as Ford built axle housings). However, the Columbia in your photo looks smooth as glass. Without actual documentation from Columbia (I’m still trying to find it), it will remain a mystery.
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Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Well, we didn't get anything done on the Zephyr this weekend, instead of working in the garage, we drive one of our non-Flatheads (the '63 Studebaker Avanti) down to Long boat Key for the weekend... We saw a beautiful ’55 Pontiac Convertible with a Continental Kit, a ’55 Chevy Two Door hard top and a ’40 Ford Coupe out on the road. I didn’t take a camera with me so, no photos. Vic
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Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour When you say the center section, are you referring to the "banjo" or the housing for the Columbia gears? Also, the Zephyr (when ordered with a Columbia) had the unit installed at the factory so, could it be that (for the Zephyr) Columbia cast both sides and delivered it to Lincoln already assembled as a unit? That's just about the only thing that would explain the roughness of the castings...:confused:
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Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Yes they are, the center section "banjo" is smooth as is the complete stock rear axle that came out of the car. The axles on the Columbia are both "textured", not at all smooth.
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Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Pretty much LOOKS like the rust pits that I covered-up with spray bombs on my stuff forty-five years ago and called it "restored", before I knew the difference. DD
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Wow, it ONLY took you forty-five years to know the difference... :rolleyes: Look a little closer at the photo I posted, if they really are "rust pits" wouldn't it stand to reason that the "banjo” as well as the spring perches would also be pitted...? :eek: Something more for you to ponder. |
Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour In NJ is is not uncommon to find pits in the axle housings. NJ is damp in the summer and salt is used on the highways all winter long. The center sections are usually smooth because the oil leaked out of the housing and gave it a nice protective coating. The leaking oil also protected the ends of the axle housings from rust and it is not uncommon to have smooth areas on them.
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Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Vic, With due respect and to offer a bit of (obviously needed) clarification I's like to reiterate in part my earlier post:
The axle housings were not CAST by Columbia. Rather, the right housing was CAST by Ford and MODIFIED by Columbia. Columbia did NOT cast axle housings. Period. When I began to read this thread I initially became interested in the "texture" as I'd not seen that before on a "restored" assembly. It had not occurred to me that you would have painted over a pitted (rusted) housing as must surely be the only plausible explanation. That is the sole reason I inquired about the "texture" in the first place. It was my mistake to assume. You know what is said about those that assume. |
Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Kube, Paint over rust (your assumption) that’s very funny… in fact, I prepped the entire assembly however; I did not grind it smooth as I'm not that anal and I want function over finish in this instance (I don’t build Trailer Queens), prior to priming and painting it. Further, I talked with John Connelly of Columbia two speed Parts, Inc., he said that Columbia cast the axle housings for the conversion (my assumption is that he is correct, while it is possible that he was only referring to the right axle housing being modified by Columbia, he did not clarify that). With all due respect, where did you get your information?
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I think if you speak with John once again he will clarify what I have told you in regard to the housings. He knows me and knows the lengths I go to to research this type of thing. |
Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour No confusion here, I never intended to smooth the axle as it is not visible unless you are under the car and, as I mentioned, I'm more concerned with function then vanity. You didn't say where you got your information, I'd appreciate knowing as I want to learn more about the Columbia Axle Company.
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Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour For those of you that have been following our slow but continuing progress on the '39 LZ, as well as those who like to actually drive their cars more than just on and off of trailers... Hopefully we'll be getting back to working on the Zephyr next weekend. I was hoping to have her back together and on the road for the "Barner's Bash" this weekend but we've been out of town for the last three weekends. Stay tuned as the fun will continue.:D
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Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Now that the "Barner's Bash" is over, it's almost time to get back to work on the '39 Zephyr. Here's a photo of the rear shocks :) (rebuilt by Bill Wzorek) along with the correct NOS dog bones. I'm really looking forward to driving the "new" Zephyr... :D
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Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Well, I'm finally going to be home for a couple of weekends in a row, so I hope we can get some more work done on the Zephyr:D. I'll post photos of the fun and hope I don't offend anyone’s sensibilities (if they don't like looking at a 72 year old undercarriage that does not shine like a mirror):eek:. This car has been, and will continue to be, driven as much as possible, and I can't wait to get her back on the road.:cool::)
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Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour We finally got a chance to get some work done on the Zephyr.:D Yesterday Mike and Jeff came over and we installed the transmission and brake & clutch pedal assemblies and assorted linkage. We didn't have enough time to get the rear back into the car, that'll be the next step.:)
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Well, that is what they were built for. I'll bet you can't wait to be toolin' around in it. |
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Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Put the Zephyr on the train and do NE tour. A step by step operations placard will work for the Auto Train guys. The tour is coming together and it should be good. You will like it.
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Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour I would just let KiWi,s Towing come & haul that ol junker off so you dont have to waste time on her !!!!
He prob wont charge you to haul her off ..... jus cause he likes ya !!!! Plus that would let you spend time on that magnificent house & get his room in the house finished so he can move in !! Cheers Tony |
Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Tony only haul it off if he throws in the plaid jacket!!! heh heh he
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Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Oh Yeah! If you come to the NE tour you have to bring that plaid jacket!!!
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Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Tony, all I can say is "be careful what you wish for"...;) LOL. I can't believe that my jacket made such a hit with everyone...:rolleyes: Maybe we could make it the official "Barner's Bash" Jacket...:D Here's another shot of me with my daughter at her wedding rehearsal.
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Re: What I Did on My Lunch Hour Lets face it. The Zephyr needs plaid seat covers even if its only temporary.
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